[Trade] E.Kane, Bogosian, Kasdorf to Buffalo for Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux and 1st

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Weitz

So if a bunch of the leaders disliked Kane and you weren't a leader, do you follow the leaders or stand up for him? Pretty obvious.

But in my mind what happens to him for the next 2-3 years will really confirm the whole Winnipeg situation. If he is great in Buffalo and praised as a great teammate than its the fault of the other players in Winnipeg. If its the same old same old, then obviously everything is true.

The thing is, there are these types of Kane stories when he was playing junior for the Vancouver Giants and also when he was in Atlanta with the Thrashers. Put it another way, this is not an isolated incident.

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Kane is a huge question mark here, all the physical tools but his head has not been in the right place. The message out of Winnipeg about his behavior has been pretty united among management and the players. The Sabres are clearly banking on a fresh start turning him around.

I think Drew Stafford might be getting overlooked here a little bit, he is a pretty decent player and should help the Jets for the rest of the year, if he can stay healthy. Buffalo retained half his salary to boot.

I see this trade as a win for the Jets as it stands. If Kane gets it together it tips over to Buffalo. If Kane continues to be a dressing room irritant and a ~20 goal scorer this turns into a big win for the Jets.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It's not just the leaders. It's various players and management and coaches. Use Occam's rasor:
Is it more likely that a myriad of people all lying to put blame on someone for something strictly because they don't like him and want t him to leave

Or

Is the player acting inappropriate and covering up

Which is summed up in my second paragraph, in that the proof will be in the coming years. We didn't hear from a myriad of people. We heard from a couple players and a ton of media people which who knows their sources.

I just think everything is blown out of proportion here. But, honestly, I think both Buffalo and Winnipeg are better off now.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Which is summed up in my second paragraph, in that the proof will be in the coming years. We didn't hear from a myriad of people. We heard from a couple players and a ton of media people which who knows their sources.

We heard from former Vancouver Giant players, we know he's been disciplined at least 3 times and we know the leadership didn't like him (the reasons seem obvious, but maybe they just don't like his personality). What proof will be coming out in the future? Maybe he grows up, maybe he doesn't. Not sure what you think will prove anything. The only people I in the know saying it was unfair is Kane and his agent. Seems quite unlikely they're right IMO

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Weitz

So if a bunch of the leaders disliked Kane and you weren't a leader, do you follow the leaders or stand up for him? Pretty obvious.

But in my mind what happens to him for the next 2-3 years will really confirm the whole Winnipeg situation. If he is great in Buffalo and praised as a great teammate than its the fault of the other players in Winnipeg. If its the same old same old, then obviously everything is true.

I believe it is more like if he is a great teammate in Buffalo it is because this whole experience will have changed him to be a great teammate. People are supposed to learn from their mistakes. Hopefully he has learned something.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It's not just the leaders. It's various players and management and coaches. Use Occam's rasor:
Is it more likely that a myriad of people all lying to put blame on someone for something strictly because they don't like him and want t him to leave

Or

Is the player acting inappropriate and covering up

It's not like the pictures in bad taste of him and his wads of cash were tweeted by anyone else but himself. Can't blame that on anyone in Winnipeg. Maybe he's not a total cancer but it's safe to say there's a little bonfire to go with the smoke here. Guy is immature and needs to grow up. Some guys never do hopefully for his sake he gets it and becomes a great player and good teammate in Buffalo. Heck he only needs to look at fellow new Buffalo athlete Richie Incognito to see what happens if he doesn't get his act together as Incognito was out of football this year and Buffalo may be his last chance.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

http://jetsnation.ca/2015/2/11/why-t...-zach-bogosian

This article would disagree with you and provides solid, fact based data. Bogo and Myers are a virtual dead heat and depending on which stats you use (fancy stats) one is better than the other. Some people say its a wash, some say Bogo is better, others say Myers is better. I think its impossible for you to write here with authority and say that bogo isn't just better, but that it can't be disputed.

Well you can use stats if you like but that would just further my hypothesis that you don't watch Eastern teams (buffalo in particular) much.

Simple stats would tell you Phil Kessel is a top 10 player in the NHL. Fancy stats would tell you the Oilers are better than the Flames. Neither is true.

Will back down from the assertion that it can't be disputed. But the eye test will most likely reveal Bogosian to be the better player. Especially if you've watched Myers live rather than on TV.

The guy played his junior locally here and won a WHL championship so don't take this as a hate-on. But there's a lot of similarities to Phaneuf and their career trajectories have been the same - that is, to say they're headed in the wrong direction.

Maybe a fresh start will help Myers. But the Jets took on greater risk with swapping these two defenders (with potentially greater reward). Strange risk to take for a team that wants to make the playoffs right now. But there you go.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

http://jetsnation.ca/2015/2/11/why-t...-zach-bogosian

This article would disagree with you and provides solid, fact based data. Bogo and Myers are a virtual dead heat and depending on which stats you use (fancy stats) one is better than the other. Some people say its a wash, some say Bogo is better, others say Myers is better. I think its impossible for you to write here with authority and say that bogo isn't just better, but that it can't be disputed.

No kidding. I believe Myers is better and even Craig Button does and while he's not an authority he know more about hockey than we will ever know. I think that Myers could become the best player in the deal when all is said and done and I certainly don't think of Bogosian will ever stand out as the best player in the deal but as with most trades we will have to revisit this in a few years.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's not like the pictures in bad taste of him and his wads of cash were tweeted by anyone else but himself. Can't blame that on anyone in Winnipeg. Maybe he's not a total cancer but it's safe to say there's a little bonfire to go with the smoke here. Guy is immature and needs to grow up. Some guys never do hopefully for his sake he gets it and becomes a great player and good teammate in Buffalo. Heck he only needs to look at fellow new Buffalo athlete Richie Incognito to see what happens if he doesn't get his act together as Incognito was out of football this year and Buffalo may be his last chance.

Who cares about those pics. He's a young kid having fun on instagram. It might be a bit in poor taste in your eyes but that's what instagram is. He's tame compared to a lot of other athletes. Give a 6 million dollar salary and a public spotlight to any poster on here in their early 20s and they might have a few hick ups. I wouldn't even call it that because in reality he isn't hurting anyone. Maybe the feelings of few that are all high and mighty. I'm sure every poster on here see's people bragging on Facebook on a daily basis. I'm sure some of you do it yourselves. Not really much different than what he did other than he actually has a bank account that might warrant some arrogance. Not to say it's right but I can understand the 6 million dollar guy bragging a bit more than the 60k guy. To dislike a guy so much over a nothing is baffling to me.

[chedder]

Friedman on fan960 just said Winnipeg wanted either Monahan or Bennett plus. No thank you and glad we weren't in on this deal. I have a feeling both of these two will be twice the hockey player Kane is without any of the delta bravo-ness. Not a big deal but DJ on cj92 was laughing about what happened to Kane as she must have gone to high school with him and said he was a tool back then as well. Pretty long sample size of arse-hat behaviour.

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Friedman also mentioned that talking to guys around the league that Kane has not been very good with centers that need the puck, and that he might need to change his game to work well with McDavid or Eichel.

Also talked about Kane's go-to move out of junior was chip the puck by the dman and race. Paraphrasing here, but in Atlanta Slava Kozlov apparently tried to encourage Kane to develop another move, as NHL dmen would soon figure that one out. Apparently Kane was not very receptive.

Edit: he also raised the possibility of the Jets now flipping Myers as they have 3 rh defencemen. Jets say this is not the plan...but it gets you wondering.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Who cares about those pics. He's a young kid having fun on instagram. It might be a bit in poor taste in your eyes but that's what instagram is. He's tame compared to a lot of other athletes. Give a 6 million dollar salary and a public spotlight to any poster on here in their early 20s and they might have a few hick ups. I wouldn't even call it that because in reality he isn't hurting anyone. Maybe the feelings of few that are all high and mighty. I'm sure every poster on here see's people bragging on Facebook on a daily basis. I'm sure some of you do it yourselves. Not really much different than what he did other than he actually has a bank account that might warrant some arrogance. Not to say it's right but I can understand the 6 million dollar guy bragging a bit more than the 60k guy. To dislike a guy so much over a nothing is baffling to me.

Exactly. I've seen probably over a hundred posts with 300-1500 from VLTs fanned out like its a lotto max haul.. Who cares

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by chedder

Friedman on fan960 just said Winnipeg wanted either Monahan or Bennett plus. No thank you and glad we weren't in on this deal. I have a feeling both of these two will be twice the hockey player Kane is without any of the delta bravo-ness. Not a big deal but DJ on cj92 was laughing about what happened to Kane as she must have gone to high school with him and said he was a tool back then as well. Pretty long sample size of arse-hat behaviour.

""Monahan or Bennett plus. ""

Thanks Elliott, although this would seem obvious, it was sure hard for a lot of people to swallow.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

""Monahan or Bennett plus. ""

Thanks Elliott, although this would seem obvious, it was sure hard for a lot of people to swallow.

This is "obvious" only if you believe that one of Monahan or Bennett are of equal value to the prospects that Winnipeg received in return from Buffalo. I expect that virtually everyone will disagree with that assertion. Clearly, the asking price was too high for Treliving, but that is also possibly a product of Winnipeg not wanting to trade Kane to a potential playoff rival.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

""Monahan or Bennett plus. ""

Thanks Elliott, although this would seem obvious, it was sure hard for a lot of people to swallow.

Since Buffalo didn't give up Reinhart or Grigorenko plus (the closest to a Bennett equivalent), or even Girgensons or Ennis plus (I guess the closest Buffalo could get to Monahan), obviously what Winnipeg would ask for (which is what he actually said) they didn't get.

Unless you think Drew Stafford = Monahan or Bennett.

[sureLoss]

Friedman says they were asking for Bennett and Monahan but might have settled for Backlund and one of those two.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/3...deadline-2015/

14. The two most likely players (with term) to be moved were Kane and Myers, and now they are off the board. So, who else was in? Calgary certainly was in on both, with the Jets and Sabres intrigued by the Flames’ youth at centre.

But the southern Albertans were unwilling to pay a very high price that focused on at least one, if not an attempt at both, of Sam Bennett and Sean Monahan. (You can’t blame someone for asking.) It might have ended up being one and a more experienced middleman like Mikael Backlund, but that’s a lot. Centres are hard to find. The moment you trade them, you’re looking for them.

[Ashasx]

Wouldn't even trade Backlund alone for Kane.

Nevermind adding Monahan or Bennett.

[GioforPM]

I'd have wanted a lot more than Meyers for Backlund. Myers is more on par with Jooris for value, if they want a centre. Maybe Jooris, Granlund or Shore plus a little more.

You don't trade a centre to Winnipeg.

[868904]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'd have wanted a lot more than Meyers for Backlund. Myers is more on par with Jooris for value, if they want a centre. Maybe Jooris, Granlund or Shore plus a little more.

You don't trade a centre to Winnipeg.

Myers just returned Evander Kane, how can you say his value is on par with Jooris?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 868904

Myers just returned Evander Kane, how can you say his value is on par with Jooris?

No, Meyers just returned Bogosian. At best the difference between Meyers and Bogosian, if you beleive Meters is better, is part of the "plus".