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Ozy_Flame · 02-09-2015, 10:57 AM

Locke - Lowe has recently said he is open to trading his 1st rounder (pretty sure it was the Oilers' first rounder). I have no doubt in my mind that Kane is the kind of player he would flip a 1st for as part of a package. Which is to say, the wrong player.

CliffFletcher · 02-09-2015, 10:57 AM

Folks here are vastly over-estimating the likely production of even top-10 draft picks. If the 2009 draft were done over again today, I doubt Kane drops more than a couple spots.

Street Pharmacist · 02-09-2015, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Locke - Lowe has recently said he is open to trading his 1st rounder (pretty sure it was the Oilers' first rounder). I have no doubt in my mind that Kane is the kind of player he would flip a 1st for as part of a package. Which is to say, the wrong player.

Lol. For another winger

dustyanddaflames · 02-09-2015, 10:59 AM

It isn't that Chevy is a completely incompetent General Manager, I think it has more to do with him having to be extremely careful of the transactions he makes. It is important that he gets this Kane deal right, because free agents aren't banging down the door to sign in Winnipeg any time soon.

Should he have traded Kane before the situation got out of hand, possibly. But lets be real, what Winnipeg already knew, the rest of the league probably knew too. My guess, is Chevy was hoping Kane would be able to shape up before shipping out, which clearly has blown up in the franchises face now. I think he'll still be able to leverage out a decent return in a deal, but by no means, will it be the value if Kane was an outstanding citizen.

I wouldn't want any part in Kane due to attitude issues and the culture being built in CGY, but for those questioning his skill set as a player, really? Guy, as a few have said already, can play and can be a game changer when he is right. Whether or not he pieces the rest of the puzzle together, someone other than the Flames can gamble on that.

Gaskal · 02-09-2015, 11:01 AM

Oh Chevy. Never change.

Table 5 · 02-09-2015, 11:01 AM

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He's proven he can score 30+ goals, but how are the other areas of his game?

And about that...he's scored 30 goals (and exactly 30, no + needed) in 1 out of 6 seasons. He never even reached 20 in any of the other five. Sean Monahan in his rookie season has scored more goals than Kane could get in any year besides 2011-2012.

Good player with potential to get better? Sure. Elite? I'm not so sure. Elite guys tend to really be racking up points by this age.

J epworth · 02-09-2015, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

And about that...he's scored 30 goals (and exactly 30, no + needed) in 1 out of 6 seasons. He never even reached 20 in any of the other five. Sean Monahan in his rookie season has scored more goals than Kane could get in any year besides 2011-2012.

Good player with potential to get better? Sure. Elite? I'm not so sure. Elite guys tend to really be racking up points by this age.

To be fair he was on pace for 30 in the lockout shortened season, and has been playing with a bum shoulder this year. Really has had only one set-back year, last season, where in hindsight the Jets should have already been trading him as all signs pointed towards him not wanting to be a Jet (culminating in his whole "I'm a Jet for now" quote last summer).

freakinsaprikin · 02-09-2015, 11:11 AM

Klimchuck and Raymond for Kane? Give them something for this season and a good prospect to go along with it.

YogiBerra · 02-09-2015, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Kane was drafted 4th overall. He's 3rd in his draft class in career goals, so he's certainly not a disappointment on the ice relative to where he was selected.

I wouldn't want the Flames to trade Bennet for him, but it's not crazy-talk to suggest he's worth a pick or player drafted in the 5th-10th overall range.

While Kane's production may be ok for his draft position it's his professionalism, off ice behaviour, and injury issues that drop his value. If some other team feels like trading that much for him it probably wouldn't be a bad move. My main point was from the flames view i wouldn't trade a first Bennet or Poirer for him that pretty much leaves 2nd+Klimchuck with another pick or prospect. I feel anymore than that would be a mistake on the flames part.

Weitz · 02-09-2015, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Locke - Lowe has recently said he is open to trading his 1st rounder (pretty sure it was the Oilers' first rounder). I have no doubt in my mind that Kane is the kind of player he would flip a 1st for as part of a package. Which is to say, the wrong player.

It was the penguins pick.

powderjunkie · 02-09-2015, 11:16 AM

Kane needs to be a complimentary player on a team with great culture/leadership and less media interest...Detroit, Pittsburgh, Boston, maybe even New Jersey or New York. There are a few teams in the west that could work, but I can see why Win wouldn't want to if they are in a playoff race.

Badgers Nose · 02-09-2015, 11:22 AM

Did I miss all the spazzing out about the mere mention of trading Bennett. Would it be inappropriate if I threatened to light all my Flames stuff on fire if Flames made this trade?

Badgers Nose · 02-09-2015, 11:23 AM

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Is Kane a legit top line scorer or just Glencross but with a bad attitude.

Kane is on a bad contract if he doesn't get back to 30 Goals and he has a bad attitude. At best you are trading for a 1st line winger at worst a cancer who will play on your 3rd line.

The problem is that you aren't going to get a premium talent back for him but that is what winnipeg wants.

I could see along the lines of a top 6 player and a 1B prospect. So a Pourier and Hudler type deal. Or else a problem for problem type deal like a Kadri for Kane.

No one is going to give up top 5 picks for this guy.

Kane is a meaner Blake Comeau. And like him its the muscle between his ears that will stop him from hitting his full potential.

Enoch Root · 02-09-2015, 11:24 AM

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Yep I'm not gettng some of the comments in this thread either. Can't seem to get his age right or his talent. Size, speed, youth with a proven record. If the Flames aren't sniffing around they are being very badly mismanaged.

The only real question is the price and his antics off the ice. Otherwise they grab a very nice piece of the puzzle.

These are precisely the reasons many people aren't interested. So your complaint is rather moot, no?

DoubleF · 02-09-2015, 11:26 AM

I would rather hand Barts and Bennett a roster spot and glue them to the 1st or second line than try and see what we can do with E Kane after sending Bennett for him. I think the problems that transpire would be less than taking on Kane. Kane doesn't fit in our system IMO. Barts is getting there and Bennett seems like he does. Fit is higher for both our players as well as better overall attitude. Bennett is a C vs winger. I wouldn't even expect their combined totals to exceed Kane next year either (But surprise me next year Calgary Flames style kids).

I get this "rumor" isn't even fully legit, but assuming it was, I believe in my statement above. No to Kane. We have some good pieces we can work with.

CliffFletcher · 02-09-2015, 11:41 AM

Someone is going to give up significant players or picks for Kane. He isn't the first 23-year-old to play in the NHL who's a spoiled d-bag off the ice, and many have turned that around when they got older. It wasn't long ago people were writing off Jeff Carter as an entitled party-boy.

MrMastodonFarm · 02-09-2015, 11:44 AM

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Someone is going to give up significant players or picks for Kane. He isn't the first 23-year-old to play in the NHL who's a spoiled d-bag off the ice, and many have turned that around when they got older. It wasn't long ago people were writing off Jeff Carter as an entitled party-boy.

Yeah but at 23 Jeff Carter was an entitled party boy putting up 46 goals as a centre, not a winger with 10 goals who is labelled a me first dressing room cancer.

FlamesAddiction · 02-09-2015, 11:49 AM

The title change is a little misleading and I think it is getting some people's panties in a knot.

It should say; "Jets Would Want Bennett From Flames For Kane According to Bob McKenzie".

There is no reason to think that such a trade was ever proposed by the Jets.

Erick Estrada · 02-09-2015, 11:53 AM

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Yeah but at 23 Jeff Carter was an entitled party boy putting up 46 goals as a centre, not a winger with 10 goals who is labelled a me first dressing room cancer.

Exactly. You kind of get tired of people talking about Kane like he's a 4 or 5 time 40 goal scorer when the fact is he's not even at Sean Monahan 20+ goal scoring levels. I don't doubt that he may hit 30 goals one day but I feel bad for the team that thinks he's going to be a perennial 30 goal scorer because he's not.

stemit14 · 02-09-2015, 11:55 AM

If I was treliving and Chevy called me up and even mentioned the name Bennett in a trade for Kane I would tell him to never call this number again, slam the phone down, and then I would have a nice, long nap... Appreciating how well I handled that trade request. I would then have a beautiful dream about a future line of gaudreau, Bennett, and poirier.