it's tiime to deal Ramo

[Dr. Doom]

Make no mistake I don't want Treliving doing anything significant to this roster going into the trade deadline. Even guys like Raymond, Stajan, Bollig, etc. - who are often the whipping boys around here - I wouldn't want to deal because of the potential chemistry upset that could do in the dressing room.

But after last night's game with the Penguins I truly feel that it's time to move Ramo. What does Ramo have to do with last night's game? It's more a Hiller thing than a Ramo thing, but we need a goalie who can stand on his head in games like last night, make huge saves nobody has any business of making, if anything keep the guys in the game so that they can perform some magic like we all know this squad is capable of doing... only to somehow squeeze out a point or even two. And that guy is Ortio...

Nothing against Hiller or Ramo for that matter. I don't even think some of the goals last night were Hiller's fault. And I truly feel he's the most seasoned option going into the playoff crunch - nothing really bad against Ramo. Sometimes however, when the score is down, you can tell this team throws it in when Hiller is in net and even his care factor seems to for lack of a better word... slow.

Ultimately this team is a beauty and I like to think has a lot of lightning in a bottle. I love Hiller I really do, and Ramo is not a bad backup, but Ortio was magic up here. And he stole key points for us where we had no business getting them.

My only wish this season is that Treliving pull the trigger and takes one chance on moving Ramo to promote Ortio. I call it a gamble because no doubt the experience of Ramo is considered more of a safety net. But I can't help but wonder how many points we could steal down this stretch having Ortio up.

I can't help but think it would be a key improvement to even more of this team's success going forward...

[Geeoff]

We definitely need to find a way to get Ortio up on the big team. We should be playing our best players and Ortio looks like our best option in net.

[N-E-B]

I still think we need more than 5 games of Ortio to justify moving Ramo.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I'm not against a goalie move necessarily, and I feel positive by Ortio's future, but very very premature to be declaring Ortio as a NHL starter that is going to consistently stand on his head, steal games etc.... I think Monahan and Johnny have spoiled this fan base and raised expectations of prospects way to high.

[The Original FFIV]

While not ideal, we could call ortio up and run with three goalies, provides that Ortio gets playing time. Another option would be to exhaust all trade options with Ramo and if nothing is there, waive him and demote to addy. Don't think is ideal given our depth at G but an option nonetheless. Not sure if he would clear as it's debatable how many teams would burn cap space on a G with that salary. Suppose we could send him to addy on a conditioning assignment but that would require his consent.

Think we should hold onto him and see if there are any injuries to other teams down the stretch. Provided we ask for a reasonable return, he may be attractive as depth or an injury replacement.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I'm not against a goalie move necessarily, and I feel positive by Ortio's future, but very very premature to be declaring Ortio as a NHL starter that is going to consistently stand on his head, steal games etc.... I think Monahan and Johnny have spoiled this fan base and raised expectations of prospects way to high.

Not to derail but I think it's a matter of having drafted legit prospects who are capable of playing. Not unreasonable to expect to have prospects make the jump and Ortio has ripened in Finland and the ahl to the point where he seems ready for duty.

[Da_Chief]

Ramo should be starting the next game, he still imo is the best goalie we have with the big club.

[dissentowner]

I think if Ortio starts the Flames still lose last night easily. We got owned by a better team, have some patience people!

[CliffFletcher]

Is a 4th rounder worth losing the security of a decent backup?

[JiriHrdina]

Weird thread given how well Hiller has played. In particular given the number of comebacks we've seen I don't get the suggestion they throw it in when behind.
Plus I doubt Ramo is even tradable right now.
Hiller is the starter that got the team this far. Ortio needs to play a lot. Not sure i change a setup that had worked quite well

[edn88]

Ortio, Ramo and Hiller all have the same goal scoring ability. Didn't matter who we had in goal last night.

[Rerun]

Since Ramo is a UFA at the end of this year I wouldn't be surprised to see him dealt at the trade deadline. No way are the Flames going to want to re-sign him to another 2-3 year contract... not when they have Ortio down on the farm (who becomes a RFA in July 2016).

[Wolfman]

Don't forget that Ramo had a 6 save shutout last night.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Weird thread given how well Hiller has played. In particular given the number of comebacks we've seen I don't get the suggestion they throw it in when behind.
Plus I doubt Ramo is even tradable right now.
Hiller is the starter that got the team this far. Ortio needs to play a lot. Not sure i change a setup that had worked quite well

I agree. Hiller has been great. I would trade Ramo if they could get a 4th but I think your right that he might not be tradable. Other than some CP fans, would not be surprised if the rest of league looks at Ramo as nothing more than a backup. NY might need a goalie, but they probably would want someone who has more experience as a starter. Probably one of the Buffalo goalies is what NY would be after. Other than NY is there another team needing a goalie? I can't think of one.

[The_Future]

Ramo should be dealt. Hiller is contractually our starter. Additionally he just played 5 excellent games previous to last night, in which he most certainly single handedly robbed us a few points. One bad game, where he has ZERO offensive support, and everyone wants his head.

Ridiculous. I supposed it's his fault that he didn't score any goals also.

Ortio, I do like him. However let's not throw him at the wolves so fast. He has played like 5 NHL games in his career? Remember when the Canucks threw Lack to the wolves? How did that work out?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Weird thread given how well Hiller has played. In particular given the number of comebacks we've seen I don't get the suggestion they throw it in when behind.
Plus I doubt Ramo is even tradable right now.
Hiller is the starter that got the team this far. Ortio needs to play a lot. Not sure i change a setup that had worked quite well

Agreed. If anything though....trade Hiller while his value is high, re-sign Ramo, call up Ortio and go with 1A-1B.

Ramo likely has very little trade value and Ortio needs to play.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Patience everyone. If we're going into the playoffs we will need both veterans on the team. Imagine if Hiller has a meltdown again and starts letting in soft goals. Having Ramo's experience as the backup is ultimately preferable to Ortio. That's a lot of pressure to be putting on someone like Ortio in after 14 NHL games and a .907 Sv%…remember, he's only 23.

No the plan was obviously to have Ortio on a 1-way next year and move on from Ramo this off-season. Next season you go with Hiller and Ortio and split the starts 65/35 or so. You need to see him over a full season in the NHL as the backup before you risk going into the playoffs with him.

That's the issue right now. With the Flames locked into a playoff run and having the possibility to make some noise, you need to go with experience in net. People will say that Hiller and Ramo are inconsistent, and they can be at times, but I would rather trust a guy who had been through it before and knew how to prepare himself rather than trust a rookie with a small NHL sample size. If the Flames were well out of the playoff picture like they were predicted to be, you'd see Ramo moved for anything. Now? Not so much.

[Itse]

If you replaced Rämö with Ortio, you put the pressure of fighting for the playoffs (and possibly playoffs) on him. Goalies are all about confidence, and that kind of pressure could crush a young goalie.

Alternatively we would have Ortio sitting on the bench while Hiller plays. Which probably isn't the best thing for his development.

The goalie situation is fine right now.

[agulati]

Ortio has a really small sample size so far. Granted, we won't know what we really have till we move someone and give him more time in the net. We want to be careful, especially down the stretch. Many new goalies in the league have shown promise initially and then faltered such as Gibson and Kuemper.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by heep223

Agreed. If anything though....trade Hiller while his value is high, re-sign Ramo, call up Ortio and go with 1A-1B.

Ramo likely has very little trade value and Ortio needs to play.

Hiller is the guy that largely put the team in the position they are in. What message does it send the team if you ship him out right in the heat of the playoff race?