Am I protect by sending an etransfer?

[Reggie28]

When I buy tickets and send an e-transfer, will I get my money back if the tickets are bogus?

[SeeGeeWhy]

How is babby formed?

[Resolute 14]

The only people who can tell you that are the support personnel for the site/bank you are doing the transfer through.

[bluck]

If you are buying tickets of Kijiji for example and you send an etransfer you're basically gambling that the tickets are legit. So no you won't get your money back if they don't send you the tickets or if they are fake

I have bought numerous tickets of CP and sent etransfers because I trust the people in this community. Obviously people who sell tickets more often are credible and I usually check their join date. Never had an issue here

[polak]

Since it has to go into a persons account, most likely. Unless he went through all of the trouble of setting up fake bank accounts for your couple hundred dollars.

[Regulator75]

Wrong forum?

[lorenavedon]

No you won't. There is zero protection. EMT is not paypal. It's like giving someone cash. Once it's gone it's gone. I know from working on major fraud investigation. Sure there are ways like suing and hoping the guy hasn't fled the country with your money (won't happen with small funds but major scams involving EMT have panned out that way).

[Ducay]

No protection. Sure with enough leg work and violations of all kinds of privacy acts you could probably get his name, but then, what are you going to do?

Same as buying in person, with cash, not much recourse if tickets end up being bogus.

I try to stick with buying/selling when they can transfer them through ticketmaster/stubhub which validates them and backs them being legit.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by bluck

If you are buying tickets of Kijiji for example and you send an etransfer you're basically gambling that the tickets are legit. So no you won't get your money back if they don't send you the tickets or if they are fake

I have bought numerous tickets of CP and sent etransfers because I trust the people in this community. Obviously people who sell tickets more often are credible and I usually check their join date. Never had an issue here

This. I have sold many and bought a few games here on CP. No issues any time. People are trusting me to send them legit tickets once I receive the funds and I would prefer to keep a good reputation. It all comes down to trust and the great community that CP is. I realize there's no money back guarantee when buying.

[getbak]

Treat it the same as handing someone cash because that's essentially what it is. Is it someone who you'd be willing to hand cash to and expect them to hand you a valid ticket in return? If yes, you're probably good. If no, I wouldn't do it.

If it's someone you work with or see on a regular basis, and can track down if the ticket is no good, do it. If you buy from someone on CP who is an established member with a history of selling tickets in the Buy & Sell forum, you're likely safe too. If it's a random stranger on Kijiji, take the same precautions you'd take buying from any random person.


I've sold numerous tickets on CP and only accept eTransfers for payment and then send the tickets directly to the buyer from my STH account. The good thing about buying from a STH is that once you accept their ticket transfer offer, you have complete control of the ticket. Any tickets they may have printed previously are no longer valid, and they no longer have access to the ticket through their account.


Ultimately, it's buyer beware, and if you want full protection, I'd buy through StubHub or the Ticketmaster Ticket Exchange. You'll end up paying more, but you're protected.

I would have no concerns buying Flames tickets from an established member of CP (if it's a new member with no history, I'd be cautious, but I don't think new members are allowed to post tickets here for that reason).

[Wastedyouth]

If you are buying a ticket off of someone and they refuse to use PayPal, it's probably not legit.

Ps. I second the CP ticket purchasing. Never had a problem with anyone on here.

[T@T]

The e-transfer is awesome, It's early but Paypal is getting nervous and credit card companies are at least raising an eyebrow.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

How is babby form?

Fixed your post

[Reggie28]

I will elaborate in my original post.

Tsn aired a segment that focused on fake tickets for leaf games. A police spokesman said to collect as much information, particularly electronic information, when making the complaint. I would assume the RCMP would spend a few minutes with a JP, get a search warrant, and track the etransfer. At this point the suspect may also be violating banking laws, and most likely this is not his first offence, so I would expect the RCMP to conduct a quick open and shut case, and charge the perp. The RCMP should be able to easily track etransfer fraud, when it is clear a crime has been committed.

I was hoping someone on the forum either worked in the banking sector, or law enforcement and could confirm my assumptions.

On a side note, I have never had a problem selling my tickets or buying tickets for away games, but I always assumed I had recourse, when I transferred the money electronically.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Fixed your post

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/how-is-babby-formed

[lorenavedon]

Originally Posted by Reggie28

I will elaborate in my original post.

Tsn aired a segment that focused on fake tickets for leaf games. A police spokesman said to collect as much information, particularly electronic information, when making the complaint. I would assume the RCMP would spend a few minutes with a JP, get a search warrant, and track the etransfer. At this point the suspect may also be violating banking laws, and most likely this is not his first offence, so I would expect the RCMP to conduct a quick open and shut case, and charge the perp. The RCMP should be able to easily track etransfer fraud, when it is clear a crime has been committed.

I was hoping someone on the forum either worked in the banking sector, or law enforcement and could confirm my assumptions.

On a side note, I have never had a problem selling my tickets or buying tickets for away games, but I always assumed I had recourse, when I transferred the money electronically.

hahahaha sorry man but that's now how it works in real life. This isn't CSI. The way it really works is a couple cops will come to your home and make you fill out a statement. God help you if the fraudster is in another province. Then what will happen is your case will go to the fraud team (not to Sherlock Holmes). This team already has about 5-6 years of case backlog. So in 5-6 years they'll get to your case and by then the people will have moved, info will have changed and they case will end up in a garbage can with most others.

The only real way you will get your money back is if you file a lawsuit in civil court and pay a really good lawyer, then after tens of thousands of dollars you might get a ruling in your favor. That ruling will likely have zero outcome as it will go into the bottom of a pile and your odds of ever collecting the money is very low.

This is how the real world works. So yea, if you get scammed using an EMT you're screwed. At least with paypal you can file a chargeback. If you have to go to the cops, you've already lost.

[polak]

Originally Posted by lorenavedon

hahahaha sorry man but that's now how it works in real life. This isn't CSI. The way it really works is a couple cops will come to your home and make you fill out a statement. God help you if the fraudster is in another province. Then what will happen is your case will go to the fraud team (not to Sherlock Holmes). This team already has about 5-6 years of case backlog. So in 5-6 years they'll get to your case and by then the people will have moved, info will have changed and they case will end up in a garbage can with most others.

The only real way you will get your money back is if you file a lawsuit in civil court and pay a really good lawyer, then after tens of thousands of dollars you might get a ruling in your favor. That ruling will likely have zero outcome as it will go into the bottom of a pile and your odds of ever collecting the money is very low.

This is how the real world works. So yea, if you get scammed using an EMT you're screwed. At least with paypal you can file a chargeback. If you have to go to the cops, you've already lost.

LOL its not CSI but the police sure aren't as useless as you make them out to be. If they were, petty crime would be a lot more lucrative then most careers.

Everyone, #### Oil & Gas, scamming people for e-tansfers is where its at! Don't you know, it's free money!

Do you work for paypal or something?

[lorenavedon]

Originally Posted by polak

LOL its not CSI but the police sure aren't as useless as you make them out to be. If they were, petty crime would be a lot more lucrative then most careers.

Everyone, #### Oil & Gas, scamming people for e-tansfers is where its at! Don't you know, it's free money!

Do you work for paypal or something?

I've been involved (assisted in) in a million dollar fraud investigation involving EMT transfers. Best advice I can give anyone is don't get scammed and if you do, consider the money lost unless it involved tens of millions, you're an important person with political influence, and/or have a lot of money to pay lawyers. If you wait for the police to fix your fraud problems, forget about it. I don't work for paypal but I don't want to see people get scammed and with paypal you have a lot more protection especially when you're talking about small transactions. You can hate paypal all you want but these are the facts.

And fraud isn't lucrative or else more people would be doing it? Ridiculous. Fraud IS lucrative, that is why it still happens on a larger scale than ever before. The reason most people don't do is, is because most people aren't psychopathic #######s, have families and any risk like that just isn't worth it. Statistical fact, the majority of fraud goes unpunished. Police forces are very conservative and slow to adapt to new societal and technological changes. The best protection you have is not the police, it's yourself.

[btimbit]

Still rebuilding my credit after someone took a bunch of payday loans out in my name. So I can attest to what the above poster is saying, when it comes to fraud, the police are useless unless you have thousands to blow on lawyers.

[Street Pharmacist]

Is there a way to layer security onto your credit history? And if so, does that damage your credit? I'm scared poopless that could happen