Evander Kane tracksuit saga

[dustygoon]

This is one of those threads that if you keep refreshing, there is a reasonable chance you see a CP meltdown. Its come close but guys seem to come back from the edge.

[northcrunk]

Buff was likely expecting Kane to throw a temper tantrum and probably meant it as a message to Kane and management to get rid of him.

[tvp2003]

If he gets traded to the Oilers, on the first day of practice there will be a pair of jogging pants hanging there, but it'll be for completely different reasons...

[northcrunk]

Kane was lucky it was just water. Back when I played a player like Kane would get their towel peed on.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

If he gets traded to the Oilers, on the first day of practice there will be a pair of jogging pants hanging there, but it'll be for completely different reasons...

Along with nice dress shoes and a fanny pack.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Hackey

They both handled the situation like idiots. I don't think either is more right or wrong than the other. Poorly handled all around.

O'Neil and Warrener have both commented that things like this is not uncommon. O'Neil added that cutting a guy's laces is also a common 'sending a message' tactic. If this is true, then both Byfuglien and Kane know what the action means.

And in the end, it is Kane who quit on his team.

So no, I don't agree with your attempt to characterize them as equally at fault

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by united

Saw an interesting idea on Twitter.

A team who is tanking now and rebuilding for the future deals one of their deadline assets for Kane (and whatever other pieces are needed to make it work). His cost will never be lower.

Trading their veteran for an injured player helps their tank job for the rest of this season, and next year they get a fresh and rested 23-year-old who still has a high ceiling and will undoubtedly be motivated. If the team thinks this ordeal will serve as a wake-up call and/or they have a veteran player they think can take Kane under his wing and mentor him and help him integrate with the new team, that's not a bad idea actually.

They also wouldn't have to get involved in the bidding war that will no doubt happen for him if they waited until the offseason when contenders would be interested in him once again.

Believe this is one of the tweets.

@reporterchris: Placing Evander Kane on long-term injured reserve does not prevent #NHLJets from a trade. Some believe he'll still be moved before March 2.

Toronto would be wise to get in on this action. kadri straight across or maybe add a bit. Tank a little bit more by subtracting kadri and not replacing him and start camp with a healthy Kane as part of a reset/rebuild. Wpg gets rid of their problem child (maybe getting another one though) and has kadri step into a top six role. Doubt Chevy has the stones to do it though as he is going to try to get full value even though the league won't pay full price for Kane. Chevy seems scared to make any sort of a deal with the fear that he may lose a trade and probably missed the optimal window to move Kane so he will probably lose the deal no matter what.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

O'Neil and Warrener have both commented that things like this is not uncommon. O'Neil added that cutting a guy's laces is also a common 'sending a message' tactic. If this is true, then both Byfuglien and Kane know what the action means.

And in the end, it is Kane who quit on his team.

So no, I don't agree with your attempt to characterize them as equally at fault

Bravo.

Except I'm not trying to say they are equally at fault. They both are at fault. I don't care who is more at fault. Two wrongs don't make a right. The situation was handled poorly and this is the end result. Everyone loses.

[GioforPM]

I don't see equal fault - Kane IMO has the lions share.

That said, the fact that O'Brien and Warrener say that's how it always has been doesn't make this sort of corrective behaviour right. Heck, even if it's right for some, it doesn't make it right for all. I think Hartley has said something like you need to be tough with some players and work more gently with others because they react differently. Buf either read Kane wrong or knew he'd react badly. Either way, not smart for the team.

[Resolute 14]

That's my point, Hackey. The situation was handled poorly by Kane.

Byfuglien didn't do anything that any number of players have done in the past. 99.9% of the time, it stays in the room. Kane chose to take his ball and go home in Vancouver, and now he's quit entirely on the Jets. All because he had a hissyfit over being called out.

[taco.vidal]

Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
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It was not the first "track suite" incident in Evander Kane's career. In Atlanta teammates decided to cut it and make a bikini out of it.
5:13 PM - 6 Feb 2015

[GioforPM]

I don't view a wet track suit as something horrible. But I also don't think the fact hockey players have always done things in the past makes it OK now (or maybe even then).

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

That's my point, Hackey. The situation was handled poorly by Kane.

Byfuglien didn't do anything that any number of players have done in the past. 99.9% of the time, it stays in the room. Kane chose to take his ball and go home in Vancouver, and now he's quit entirely on the Jets. All because he had a hissyfit over being called out.

Buff chose to be a bully even if such actions are normally accepted in the dressing room.

Maybe Kane is mentally fragile. Maybe he battles depression. Whatever it is, he either couldn't or didn't want to take it and removed himself from the situation. Buff helped the Jets get into this mess by being the straw that broke the camels back.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

That's my point, Hackey. The situation was handled poorly by Kane.

Byfuglien didn't do anything that any number of players have done in the past. 99.9% of the time, it stays in the room. Kane chose to take his ball and go home in Vancouver, and now he's quit entirely on the Jets. All because he had a hissyfit over being called out.

Is this how you want Gio to run the team? You think Crosby is doing this? Toews? Come on man. Because a couple idiots decide to be childish that takes all responsibility away from Byfuglien? If there are issues you know this isn't how you deal with them and make them better. A true leader would be trying to help the situation not make it worse. To say Byfuglien did nothing wrong is laughable.

[Soliak]

Some absolutely brilliant comments in this thread about 'bullying'. Jesus christ lads, get a grip. Canadians can be so PC.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Is this how you want Gio to run the team? You think Crosby is doing this? Toews? Come on man. Because a couple idiots decide to be childish that takes all responsibility away from Byfuglien? If there are issues you know this isn't how you deal with them and make them better. A true leader would be trying to help the situation not make it worse. To say Byfuglien did nothing wrong is laughable.

I haven't really been keeping up on this, but do we know if Byfuglien had tried other methods of 'intervention'? If Byfuglien chucked the clothes in the shower and didn't try talking or intervening previously, than yah, this did not help the situation. Now a team that is on the brink of the playoffs is likely to nose dive out of contention.

At some point when nothing else has worked, people may try more antagonistic steps, but as a first step it likely will only make things worse.

[dammage79]

WE all Know Buff isn't the captain yeah? Andrew Ladd is. So maybe shift focus on debate points towards assistant captains.

[Hackey]

Assistant captains are still leaders.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Assistant captains are still leaders.

You're dropping names of full fledged captains, not assistant captains. If you're going to make an argument against an assistant, use assistant's as ammo. Ladd didn't do it, so why compare Buff to Toews, Gio and Crosby?

[Lanny_McDonald]

nvm