Evander Kane tracksuit saga

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Weitz

He gets a strike because the doctors saw worsening damage in his shoulder so he is getting surgery? To be performed by the team doctor?

You honestly think that is what is happening here? You're not seeing any subtext in the decision and timing?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

So you believe that the fact that he played 20 minutes a night, was going to play Tuesday until all this went down has no bearing on a sudden call to do surgery???

Ok, then. Don't know how I could rebut that

No one is saying it doesn't. In fact he pretty much said that is the reason. He is done in Winnipeg and Winnipeg is done with him so why put his body and career at further risk when he doesn't have to and he can get ready to be 100% for the next chapter of his career.

[sureLoss]

I would take his agent's remarks with a grain of salt. The agent's job is to make his client look good.

The more telling comment was from Maurice when he said "That's a question for Evander." when asked if the surgery and locker room incident were related.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah he is for sure using this surgery now as a way to never have to play a game with that team again.

It's a weird predicament though, he knew he was likely gone after the incident this week. He likely doesn't make it to the playoffs as a member of the Jets. So does he continue to play through injury just to allow the Jets to trade him before the deadline, or does he go get healthy, get traded in the offseason, and then be ready for training camp with his new team.

The relationship with the Jets was clearly so fractured that he wasn't going to do them any favours. He was going to look after his own health and make sure that when he starts with his new team next year he is starting at 100%.

In the end though the strikes don't really matter that much for him. Sure some teams will stay away from him but enough will see a 23 year old power forward that has scored in the league and will want him on their roster. Plus he has 3 years left on a good contract to repair his reputation before it really matters as a UFA.

In the end as long as he produces a team will take a risk, players like Mike Riberio are the perfect example of this.

[dammage79]

Said it yesterday but 29 other GM's in the league will come knocking on the Jets door for Kane's services. I don't think the return is going to be high though. Risk/Reward is both very high.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No one is saying it doesn't. In fact he pretty much said that is the reason. He is done in Winnipeg and Winnipeg is done with him so why put his body and career at further risk when he doesn't have to and he can get ready to be 100% for the next chapter of his career.

Where do you think this chapter is going to be, and how long do you think it is going to be? How many teams are going to want a guy like Kane on their team? He may get traded, but I guarantee you that where ever he ends up, the first day of practice he is going to arrive at his locker and there is going to be a tracksuit hanging there. A message will be sent, and it will be sent early and in an obvious way.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No one is saying it doesn't. In fact he pretty much said that is the reason. He is done in Winnipeg and Winnipeg is done with him so why put his body and career at further risk when he doesn't have to and he can get ready to be 100% for the next chapter of his career.

Weitz was trying to say that the surgery was because the doctors told him to

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Weitz was trying to say that the surgery was because the doctors told him to

Likely this is true. And likely Kane, being a competitive athlete, was going against the doctors' advice and saying, ‘Screw that, I want to play, I want to be on the team.’ But once it got through his head that the team didn't want him, it's not entirely surprising that he would change his mind.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by New Era

Where do you think this chapter is going to be, and how long do you think it is going to be? How many teams are going to want a guy like Kane on their team? He may get traded, but I guarantee you that where ever he ends up, the first day of practice he is going to arrive at his locker and there is going to be a tracksuit hanging there. A message will be sent, and it will be sent early and in an obvious way.

Doesn't really matter though. He's too good and too young for someone not to take him on, so the next chapter will happen. How long it lasts.........likely up to Kane and what changes in his new surroundings.

What we do know, is that the Jets are likely to get below market value for the asset, which is a shame for them, but Kane will absolutely live to play another day in the NHL.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by New Era

Where do you think this chapter is going to be, and how long do you think it is going to be? How many teams are going to want a guy like Kane on their team? He may get traded, but I guarantee you that where ever he ends up, the first day of practice he is going to arrive at his locker and there is going to be a tracksuit hanging there. A message will be sent, and it will be sent early and in an obvious way.

I guarantee that if he gets traded to a team that has a good leadership core that won't happen on the first day of practice.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Likely this is true. And likely Kane, being a competitive athlete, was going against the doctors' advice and saying, ‘Screw that, I want to play, I want to be on the team.’ But once it got through his head that the team didn't want him, it's not entirely surprising that he would change his mind.

Likely this is true??? Based on what? The agents words?

I ain't buying what your selling here.

If he thought his future was in jeopardy he would've shut it down earlier. Sorry, but I can't believe that

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by New Era

Where do you think this chapter is going to be, and how long do you think it is going to be? How many teams are going to want a guy like Kane on their team? He may get traded, but I guarantee you that where ever he ends up, the first day of practice he is going to arrive at his locker and there is going to be a tracksuit hanging there. A message will be sent, and it will be sent early and in an obvious way.

Dude your delusional. You can stop your whole little act that you think you have some extra insight into the inner working of sports dressing rooms but I ain't buying it at all. No one is going to be bullying Kane. NOTHING like that is going to happen. Man to man respectful conversations sure. Pro sports man. This ain't no beer league. There will be demand for Kane and the price will determine which teams take the chance. Kane will hopefully see it as a new start and the team acquiring him will as well.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Likely this is true??? Based on what? The agents words?

Based on the fact that he actually does need the surgery, and on what a lot of other pro athletes have done in the past – delay the surgery and gut it out for the sake of the team.

Or do you think he's going under the knife purely to spite the Jets?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I guarantee that if he gets traded to a team that has a good leadership core that won't happen on the first day of practice.

There's no way to prove it either way, but if he goes to a team that does have good leadership this is the way it will be handled. There will be no board rooms or private dinners between the captain and Kane. Kane will walk into the room and receive a very quiet message that his past transgressions are well noted, and Kane will know that he is on a short chain with those in the room. This is going to be something that every player is going to witness, where the leadership in the room sends the message this is their team and you will comply with the rules in the dressing room. This will be the opposite of when Phaneuf walked into the Flames room, changed the music and cranked the volume. Phanuef was sending a message to the room that he had arrived, and sadly, no one shut him down. A good team is a good team because the dressing respects and follows the rules.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Based on the fact that he actually does need the surgery, and on what a lot of other pro athletes have done in the past – delay the surgery and gut it out for the sake of the team.

Or do you think he's going under the knife purely to spite the Jets?

At this exact moment? Yup. It's fairly plain to see

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by New Era

This will be the opposite of when Phaneuf walked into the Flames room, changed the music and cranked the volume. Phanuef was sending a message to the room that he had arrived, and sadly, no one shut him down.

I thought that was the Leafs' room where Phaneuf did that. And they made him captain for it.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by New Era

There's no way to prove it either way, but if he goes to a team that does have good leadership this is the way it will be handled. There will be no board rooms or private dinners between the captain and Kane. Kane will walk into the room and receive a very quiet message that his past transgressions are well noted, and Kane will know that he is on a short chain with those in the room. This is going to be something that every player is going to witness, where the leadership in the room sends the message this is their team and you will comply with the rules in the dressing room. This will be the opposite of when Phaneuf walked into the Flames room, changed the music and cranked the volume. Phanuef was sending a message to the room that he had arrived, and sadly, no one shut him down. A good team is a good team because the dressing respects and follows the rules.

Agree that the leaders of a team will probably have a chat with him.

Not sure how hanging a track suit in a dressing room is a "quiet" sign of that though, that is a way you agitate somebody and start things off on the wrong foot.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

At this exact moment? Yup. It's fairly plain to see

Oh. So he doesn't need the surgery at all, then. His shoulder is 100%. Right?

Well, I've heard of pro athletes doing some crazy things, but I've never heard of one telling a surgeon to cut into a perfectly healthy shoulder just to piss off his teammates. I suppose it will all be good fun, especially when the surgeon loses his licence for it.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by New Era

There's no way to prove it either way, but if he goes to a team that does have good leadership this is the way it will be handled. There will be no board rooms or private dinners between the captain and Kane. Kane will walk into the room and receive a very quiet message that his past transgressions are well noted, and Kane will know that he is on a short chain with those in the room. This is going to be something that every player is going to witness, where the leadership in the room sends the message this is their team and you will comply with the rules in the dressing room. This will be the opposite of when Phaneuf walked into the Flames room, changed the music and cranked the volume. Phanuef was sending a message to the room that he had arrived, and sadly, no one shut him down. A good team is a good team because the dressing respects and follows the rules.

Ya that makes so much sense. What better way to start things off on the right foot than "sending a message." You keep stressing team and you think the way to achieve that is to immediately judge and seclude the person before even getting to know them. What a great welcoming. Luckily this only takes place in the fantasy scenario in your head.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

At this exact moment? Yup. It's fairly plain to see

I agree.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Oh. So he doesn't need the surgery at all, then. His shoulder is 100%. Right?

Well, I've heard of pro athletes doing some crazy things, but I've never heard of one telling a surgeon to cut into a perfectly healthy shoulder just to piss off his teammates. I suppose it will all be good fun, especially when the surgeon loses his licence for it.

Come on. His agent already said that his shoulder has 'had an issue' since halfway through last season so he clearly didnt 'need' it. And he certainly didnt need it immediately.