Yeah I don't usually like Rex, but he hit it bang on.
I don't have a link but there was an article in the Calgary Herald saying that 1 in 5 People in Calgary believe there is a link between autism and vaccination.
One in five Albertans believe some vaccines can cause autism, according to a new poll that suggests a big segment of the population is wary about a perceived medical side-effect that has been widely debunked by scientists.
As cities across North America report outbreaks of measles — a preventable disease — the Mainstreet Technologies survey asked Alberta residents to delve into the vaccination debate.
The telephone poll of 2,838 respondents found that 21 per cent completely or somewhat agreed that some vaccines can cause autism, compared to 61 per cent who rejected this view. The rest were undecided, according to the survey, conducted Wednesday.
The results mirror what Mainstreet found in Ontario, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. In each province, more than 2o per cent of respondents said they believe there is a correlation between vaccines and autism, a neurological disorder, said Quito Maggi, president of the polling firm.
Also appears to be Alberta not just calgary.
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A commentator in the youtube comment section makes a solid point, where he mocks people for not listening to the science while he mocks global warming science.
That really bugs me, so many people do it, pick and choose what they agree with and defend their positions like he does by mocking those who don't listen to the science, while turning around and mocking the science on global climate change.
Great video though.
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I always have something of a giggle at the lunacy of Jenny McCarthy suggesting vaccinations cause autism because of the ingredients - and then she fills her face and body with botox, and fillers and silicone and whatnot. Mmmhmmm. Ok lady.
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Try as he might, Bill Maher couldn't hide his anti-vaxxer bias last night. Framing the issue as one simply of 'questioning your doctor' and saying things like vaccines are "pretty much safe" does a major disservice to the issue and the children harmed by their idiot anti-vaxxer parents.
Pretending there's even a debate on this is what is driving the anti-vaxxers. We desperately need to stop this trend if we're going to bring this back to the only discourse determinative of vaccines' effiicacy - science.
Take a look at this stupidity... now vaccinated children are the risk!:
"We don't make our decisions based on fear. Most people will make decisions based on fear and what they can do to protect their child, hence the reason why they choose vaccination," Melissa Abekah said.
"If you take time to research what [measles] actually is, it's a rash and a fever, it lasts for a few days, there has not been any death in like two years. I mean, people die from obesity."
Wow... Rex Murphy nailed it.. these people are "selfish".
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Scientists may say that brakes save lives, but virtually every car-wreck co-occurs with panicked braking -- did you know that in the old days, cars didn't have brakes?
It's true: engine braking was once the norm. And back then, I've heard there were a lot fewer automotive fatalities (and there were none involving brakes, because there weren't any brakes!). Mechanics get paid to service our brakes; they make our cars sick (brakes can warp your rotors) and then charge us money to repair them. Everyone knows that mechanics, as a class, are crooked -- why wouldn't they do this if they could get away with it?
The government wants to force you to have brakes, but brakes or no brakes is a personal decision. Do your research and make your own decision, for you and your family.
This (among other reasons) is why the left needs to completely disown Maher. The guy is a xenophobic, sexist, anti-science ideologue.
He is rational about global warming, but ignorant about vaccinations and alternative medicine. Not unusual to see someone accepting the scientific consensus on one issue but not the other.
He is rational about global warming, but ignorant about vaccinations and alternative medicine. Not unusual to see someone accepting the scientific consensus on one issue but not the other.
I strongly consider myself in the pro vaccination crowd. I get my kids their regular vaccinations and get us all flu shots, and am completely comfortable doing that. I also think they should be mandatory with no exemptions for anything but health reasons. But I do agree with what was said on this week's Bill Maher about how that side and the media is treating anyone who is at all skeptical. This thread title is obnoxious, and mocking the other side is not helping the pro-vaccination cause in any way. It seems that mocking the other side only makes them dig in more.
Too many times the argument is that all vaccines have been and always will be 100% safe and effective, and if you don't believe that, you don't believe in science, and are an idiot. The much better argument (and the only argument that really matters) is that the vaccines recommended for kids have been proven to be very safe, the side effects rare, and that the risks of not getting vaccinated far outweigh the risks of the vaccine. That argument is a lot more convincing than "all vaccines are inherently safe and effective and always will be, and there is no chance of anyone ever having any side effects." It seems that Bill Maher should not be criticized for saying they are pretty much safe.
I don't share his view on flu shots, but I really think that should be a separate debate. Lots of different considerations for that argument vs the scheduled childhood vaccines.
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Saw an article last week that argued shaming deniers is the only way to achieve progress. The argument was likely that they can't be reasoned out of their positions. Not sure if I agree with that, but I will see if I can find it . . .
I honestly can't believe how much attention they are getting these days.
Even debating it with them gives them more legitimacy than they deserve and just convinces them to ramp up their crusade.
If I am an uneducated person with a neutral position on vaccines, seeing the debate on CBC or CNN brings the anti-vax opinion into the mainstream. Even if the message is shame, in these types of situations, the medium is the message.
If you had CBC or CNN giving air time to people who believe that the pyramids were built by aliens, we would probably see an increase in people who believe it regardless if you tried shaming them. Some people just have an innate desire to go against the grain and cranking up the volume of the debate just backfires.
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She provides legitimate arguments before providing ridiculous ones. Right to choose is a legitimate stance. All of her other points though have been thoroughly destroyed.
For example. 68 children have died from complications of immunization with mmr. Let's assume that's true. She's assuming no cases of death from measles reported in the US. Let's assume that's also true. The reason she's an idiot is that she is ignoring the hundreds of thousands of deaths in countries that don't vaccinate. If I can prove more people have died wearing seatbelts in the US than have died from not wearing them does that make seatbelts a deadly trap? No, because you have to account for lives saved. She then used a mail survey of self reported illnesses to prove a point. Idiot
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This was a good listen. Thanks for posting. Tremonti really exposed how illogical and unstable the anti-vax position is.
If anyone is going to listen, the link to the full interview is on the right of the page (22 min listen).
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