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Resolute 14 · 02-05-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Dhiren Mahiban @dcmahiban
Former junior teammate, and current NHLer, on #NHLJets' Evander Kane "I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him"

edit: just quickly looking it up the quote could have come from Lucic, Franson, Bouma or Gallagher

Nobody anywhere seems to have anything good to say about Kane. Even people who claim to have played minor hockey with him, etc.

Bit of a shame, really. He's probably only one of many young 20-somethings in the league who combine attitude with money, but his own nature of being extremely flamboyant (i.e.: the money pics) causes this to magnify dramatically.

Weitz · 02-05-2015, 02:42 PM

MOD EDIT: Removed, the charges were dropped: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo...163404396.html

Harry Lime · 02-05-2015, 02:44 PM

It makes me wonder at the difference between how the Jet's team and management have handled this situation as compared to another franchise, like Detroit, Boston or Calgary.

Somehow I have a feeling that Gio (with Wolf bench pressing a grizzly bear in the background), would be able to get Kane onside. In fact, I can't think of a player on the Flames who would think that throwing someones clothes in the shower constitutes 'leadership'. Burke, during one of his crazy hair days, stomping down the hallway would be enough to reel in any shenanigans pretty quickly as well.

Winnipeg seems like a pretty delicately balanced team, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Kane thrives in a place with more history and structure. The NFL has been brought up here several times, and they have many more personality issues than NHL teams do. The football teams with a coach/manager/owner who commands respect/terror consistently finds success and very few disciplinary problems. The teams that are weak/young in this respect are absolute disasters.

Kane's problems are most likely magnified as a result of his environment. Put him in Detroit, and I would bet that most of them go away. Put him in Toronto or Edmonton, and he will become Godzilla.

SuperMatt18 · 02-05-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Okay, but I just cant agree with you 100%.

Kane has, allegedly, had many chances and he keeps making the same mistakes. Its understandable that hes only 22, but hes also supposed to be a professional and things have apparently gotten so bad that his teammates have determined that its time to take things into their own hands.

Theres lots of blame to be spread around here but it all starts and ends with Evander Kane.

Really I put the biggest blame on the organization for letting it get to this point.

If he is really that much of a detriment to the team and is breaking all these rules then they should be able to suspend him, or at the very least he should be a healthy scratch more often.

Really he was a healthy scratch once in the last three years (last night doesn't really count if he just didn't show up and it was his decision).

Why did they let it get to the point where he is isolated on the team, and that they let his teammates continue to police his infractions when they knew it was just causing even more of an issue.

The organization liked what he brought on the ice though so they didn't want him out of the lineup, and they were too afraid of trading him since he is a good player, so they just sat on their hands until it reached a boiling point now.

Like the post above mine stated I highly doubt it would have reached this point in an organization that has stronger leadership, at both the player and management level.

Street Pharmacist · 02-05-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteMoss

They managed to fit Iginla under the cap last year, I'm sure they could have figured out how to keep Seguin if they wanted him to.

The Boston newspapers reported the Bruins had to put a guard by his door in the playoffs so he wouldn't go out partying.

Iginla was all bonuses and that was not going to happen with Seguin, so that isn't relevant.

Yes they had problems with Seguin, BUT not anywhere near the same as Kane, and the talent level isn't close

dash_pinched · 02-05-2015, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

Why is the convicted drunk driver (albeit to a lesser charge, due to hockey player status i imagine) Byfuglien getting any sort of leadership praise?

Probably because he's having a great season and he's shuffled back-and-forth between playing forward and defense without complaint.

Scornfire · 02-05-2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Somehow I have a feeling that Gio (with Wolf bench pressing a grizzly bear in the background)

WTB a photoshop of gio sitting behind a desk with wolf bench pressing a grizzly off in the distance asap

Timbo · 02-05-2015, 02:48 PM

Tossing his track suit in the shower is not the most mature way to deal with it but it's far from the soap beating scene in Full Metal Jacket. That would be bullying.

mikeecho · 02-05-2015, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

Why is the convicted drunk driver (albeit to a lesser charge, due to hockey player status i imagine) Byfuglien getting any sort of leadership praise?

If a convicted murder can manage the Oilers, I guess a guy who didn't have proper lighting on his boat can lead an NHL dressing room

transplant99 · 02-05-2015, 02:49 PM

So now throwing someones pants in water...is bullying????

Holy crap what is going on?

What would a water balloon be called now? Assault with a deadly weapon?

Jets4Life · 02-05-2015, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Its funny, 18 months ago Byfuglien was an out of shape cancer who couldn't get himself in shape for the season, was getting a DUI for drinking while boating, and was a bad contract. But now he is playing good, and threw somebody's (who nobody likes) clothes in the shower, so he is a leader that everyone wants on their team.

Care to point out evidence that the Winnipeg hockey community was enraged with Buff's DUI boating charge? How about Pavelec being convincted of DUI in the Czech Republic? Hardly any talk about that.

Now let's turn our attention to Kane:

-rude to fans
-history of not paying for bills when dining out
-fighting with teammates at practice
-favors tweets about being traded
-benched 3 times by 2 coaches for violating team rules
-posts selfies of him with wads of cash, while fans are missing games due to a labour dispute, and have to be refunded
-rumors of bar fights in Winnipeg and Vancouver
-creeping women on their Facebook

Need I go on? We all have our own faults, but this guy just is a cancer to the team. Winnipeg will get what we can for him, and rid ourselves of this overgrown child.

Weitz · 02-05-2015, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

Tossing his track suit in the shower is not the most mature way to deal with it but it's far from the soap beating scene in Full Metal Jacket. That would be bullying.

No, that is assault.

Madrox · 02-05-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

MOD EDIT: Removed for consistency.

Because he only blew a .03 and was only charged because he refused to provide a urine sample, probably because he thought it was bull####.
Also, he isn't a convicted drunk driver. He plead guilty to Careless Boating, which is pretty damn far from a DUI.

Scornfire · 02-05-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

So now throwing someones pants in water...is bullying????

Holy crap what is going on?

What would a water balloon be called now? Assault with a deadly weapon?

That's weaponized dihydrogen oxide, that's a serious war crime sir

saillias · 02-05-2015, 02:53 PM

Where does this idea that Gio and co will fix Kane come from? There are no problem children on the Flames. They haven't had to "fix" anyone. It's a delusional thought, sorry. The guy thinks he's a rockstar. He does not give 2 fatas if Gio or Ladd or Gretzky is his captain.

FlamesAddiction · 02-05-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

Why is the convicted drunk driver (albeit to a lesser charge, due to hockey player status i imagine) Byfuglien getting any sort of leadership praise?

MacT would probably make him captain with that kind of resume.

Resolute 14 · 02-05-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

MOD EDIT: Removed for consistency.

Why is that relevant to whether or not Byfuglien has become a leader in the Jets dressing room?

nik- · 02-05-2015, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jets4Life

-posts selfies of him with wads of cash, while fans are missing games due to a labour dispute, and have to be refunded

Madrox · 02-05-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Dhiren Mahiban @dcmahiban
Former junior teammate, and current NHLer, on #NHLJets' Evander Kane "I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him"

edit: just quickly looking it up the quote could have come from Lucic, Franson, Bouma or Gallagher

Franson seems likely, given it's from a Toronto guy... he did come from Surrey though, so he could have a connection with those guys from Junior days.

Jets4Life · 02-05-2015, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

MOD EDIT: Removed for consistency.

Probably because everyone I've talked to says he is well respected, and a super nice guy in the locker room. Mentors the young players, and makes himself available to fans.

Drunk driving is wrong, but many of us make mistakes at some point of our lives. The important thing is to learn from it, and become a better person. Buff owned up to his mistake, and ultimately pleaded down to a lesser charge. People are surprisingly forgiving, if they see an individual with problems trying to turn their life around.

I don't know Kane personally, but from all accounts, seems like a bad person. The same cannot be said about Byfuglien.