Evander Kane tracksuit saga

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Who decides what bullying is? I'm guessing if a kid threw another classmates clothes in the shower when they were changing for gym class it would be called bullying.

Kane obviously felt bullied if he decided to stay home for the game.

He was in his home town, and was likely looking forward to playing that game.

This would not fly in any other job, but it's a sport and they are teammates so it's just Byfuglien being a good leader.

I get what you're saying but the fact of the matter is that this isnt 'any other job.'

But plunk Kane with his attitude into an O&G company that have to work as a team to achieve objectives and he pulls the same stunts and that wouldnt fly either.

Its just different scenarios that have to deal with their unique characteristics.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Byfuglien was a cancer? Never been said. In fact, you'll see him with teammates ALL THE TIME in wedding photos, team outings, etc. Kane is always seem putting person before team. There's a mountain of difference if you look. Read Friedman's story from September about how great Byfuglien has been with the rookies and you'll see the "cancer" label is in your imagination.

Kane may certainly mature, as can Johnny Manziel and a host of other troubled young athletes. The question is, is it worth it if they don't? Look at the distraction it's now causing the Jets? It's not like there isn't a Texas sized risk here

worked out for this Texas team

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

No. No.


Patrick Kane did worse things to a cabby while drunk, but did the right thing and apologized to his teammates, who like him.

Seguin partied too much, but didn't show of to the team or constantly make distractions. Not the same. Evander keeps pressing the issue in purpose.


They're not the same. One is a much worse teammate than the other two.

Seguin clearly annoyed the team or else they wouldn't have made a dumb trade to get rid of him.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

worked out for this Texas team

Really? Was the risk closer to the same? I didn't hear a lot about Seguin being hated by his teammates...


Seguin=/=Kane


Sorry, but that just isn't the same.

[Phaneuf]

I want him on the Flames, attitude problems can be fixed.

[Jordan!]

Doan for Kane, do it

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Seguin clearly annoyed the team or else they wouldn't have made a dumb trade to get rid of him.

No, Boston had to choose a big ticket to lose. Seguin was about to cost them $5.5M and they would've had to trade another big ticket away.

That's not at all the same as your implying


Edit: Chiarelli did publicly tell Seguin to grow up, but there isn't near the history not conflict that Kane had.

For Boston it was:
-Couldn't afford Bergeron and Seguin contacts without serious team change
-Had Krejci and Bergeron already as 1/2 C

[Tacopuck]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf

I want him on the Flames, attitude problems can be fixed.

This coming from Phaneuf

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Hmm... I think this Kane situation is similar in nature to our Phaneuf situation long long ago.

I could be wrong though...

I wouldn't want Kane. I don't really want Phaneuf back either.

Maybe if Regehr of Warrener threw Dion's track suit in the shower things would have turned out better!

[868904]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf

I want him on the Flames, attitude problems can be fixed.

If Treliving is even considering this, he needs to have a chat with Lance Bouma. They played together for 3 years in the WHL, he'll know whether Kane is a good guy or not.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Seguin clearly annoyed the team or else they wouldn't have made a dumb trade to get rid of him.

people call it "dumb" or whatever now, but Loui Eriksson was a heck of a player prior to the lockout and his concussions. Reilly Smith has been very good for them and Joe Morrow is still developing, so let's not act as if they traded Marc Savard for Ruslan Zainullin here. They still got some really good pieces back.

[sureLoss]

Dhiren Mahiban @dcmahiban
Former junior teammate, and current NHLer, on #NHLJets' Evander Kane "I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him"

edit: just quickly looking it up the quote could have come from Lucic, Franson, Bouma or Gallagher

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Dhiren Mahiban @dcmahiban
Former junior teammate, and current NHLer, on #NHLJets' Evander Kane "I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him"

Just one source out of a few, but ouch. Why won't the world stop Bullying Evander Kane?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by devo22

people call it "dumb" or whatever now, but Loui Eriksson was a heck of a player prior to the lockout and his concussions. Reilly Smith has been very good for them and Joe Morrow is still developing, so let's not act as if they traded Marc Savard for Ruslan Zainullin here. They still got some really good pieces back.

How much laughing would be there in Dallas if they offered that back for him?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Locke

I get what you're saying but the fact of the matter is that this isnt 'any other job.'

But plunk Kane with his attitude into an O&G company that have to work as a team to achieve objectives and he pulls the same stunts and that wouldnt fly either.

Its just different scenarios that have to deal with their unique characteristics.

Like I said though. I have no issue with Kane being punished if he was breaking team dress code.

The issue here is that since he clearly doesn't get along with teammates, he is being singled out and punished in a childish way that is bullying.

The other issue is the team doesn't step in and punish him. The second he showed up breaking dress code he should have been sent home, and told he was not playing that night.

So now you have the team just letting the divide between the players grow because they didn't police it themselves. And since the relationship between Kane and the rest was already fractured it led to it causing a further divide.

My point is just that all parties are to blame here, and that even though Kane may be an idiot he still felt that he was bullied and was being treated unfairly.

Personally I wouldn't want Kane or Byfuglien on my team.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

How much laughing would be there in Dallas if they offered that back for him?

playing "Captain Hindsight" years after the trade is easy, don't you think?

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Dhiren Mahiban @dcmahiban
Former junior teammate, and current NHLer, on #NHLJets' Evander Kane "I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him"

Lance Bouma, Brendan Gallagher, Milan Lucic, Cody Franson, Craig Cunningham, Jonathon Blum. I think that's the only current NHLers that played with Kane for the Giants, but I might be wrong.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

No, Boston had to choose a big ticket to lose. Seguin was about to cost them $5.5M and they would've had to trade another big ticket away.

That's not at all the same as your implying


Edit: Chiarelli did publicly tell Seguin to grow up, but there isn't near the history not conflict that Kane had.

For Boston it was:
-Couldn't afford Bergeron and Seguin contacts without serious team change
-Had Krejci and Bergeron already as 1/2 C

They managed to fit Iginla under the cap last year, I'm sure they could have figured out how to keep Seguin if they wanted him to.

The Boston newspapers reported the Bruins had to put a guard by his door in the playoffs so he wouldn't go out partying.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by devo22

playing "Captain Hindsight" years after the trade is easy, don't you think?


Lance Bouma, Brendan Gallagher, Milan Lucic, Cody Franson, Jonathan Blum. I think that's the only current NHLers that played with Kane for the Giants, but I might be wrong.

It was dumb when they made it and its dumb now.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Just one source out of a few, but ouch. Why won't the world stop Bullying Evander Kane?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Like I said though. I have no issue with Kane being punished if he was breaking team dress code.

The issue here is that since he clearly doesn't get along with teammates, he is being singled out and punished in a childish way that is bullying.

The other issue is the team doesn't step in and punish him. The second he showed up breaking dress code he should have been sent home, and told he was not playing that night.

So now you have the team just letting the divide between the players grow because they didn't police it themselves. And since the relationship between Kane and the rest was already fractured it led to it causing a further divide.

My point is just that all parties are to blame here, and that even though Kane may be an idiot he still felt that he was bullied and was being treated unfairly.

Personally I wouldn't want Kane or Byfuglien on my team.

Okay, but I just cant agree with you 100%.

Kane has, allegedly, had many chances and he keeps making the same mistakes. Its understandable that hes only 22, but hes also supposed to be a professional and things have apparently gotten so bad that his teammates have determined that its time to take things into their own hands.

Theres lots of blame to be spread around here but it all starts and ends with Evander Kane.