[News] Bennett Out 4-6 Months with Shoulder Surgery *UPDATE* Back Skating

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, true dichotomy, and I while it's direct, it's not simplistic. There are two approaches which differ. That's a true dichotomy. Which one should we emulate?

Obviously situations differ and I didn't complain when Gaudreau or Monahan stuck. Gaudreau is older and Monahan bigger. Both were not recovering from injury.

I simply say, if there is doubt, err on the side of over ripening (the Detroit way).

I don't think you know what a false dichotomy is:

A false dilemma, or false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting two opposing views, options or outcomes in such a way that they seem to be the only possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false, or, more typically, if you do not accept one then the other must be accepted.

There are more than two ways (being the "Oiler method" and the "Red Wings" method) to develop prospects. Furthermore, sending Sam Bennett to Kingston is not, by fiat of your "directness", the "Red Wings method" and keeping him up is not, by fiat of your "directness", the "Oiler method".

There's a nuanced discussion here. You should consider taking part in it.

Edit: Also, what CSW said.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That Regher hit on a Bennett shoulder is something he wouldn't face in the AHL.

What? Why? He would face even dirtier hits down there.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by heep223

What? Why? He would face even dirtier hits down there.

And slower players, most of whom can't tag him in the first place. There's a reason the AHL is the main development league for the NHL. It gives prospect a chance to play against grown men but at not the same pace as the NHL.

[Enoch Root]

same discussion that was had regarding Gaudreau

[sureLoss]

6'0'' 167lbs David Pastrnak

6'1'' 178lbs Sam Bennett

Pastrnak in the AHL put up 27pts in 24 games while being less physically developed than Bennett. I think Bennett will be fine.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I got news for you - The Flames aren't winning the cup this year, which is what we are talking about.

Not what I'm talking about. If Bennett can make a demonstrable contribution to getting the Flames into the playoffs under such circumstances that do not jeopardise his long-term value to the team, then it is something the team should consider.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As for "earned" - tell me - what has Bennett done to earn the displacement of a current roster player? And who do you get rid of (don't give me guys who have to be waived to make it happen because this is reality)?

According to the GM and the coach, he already "earned" the right to play on the team with his exceptional training camp. As for "displacement," this is all contingent upon how ready he actually is, and how much of an improvement he provides over other players.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There is plenty of potential harm in throwing an 18 year old kid with a recently injured shoulder into games at the crucial part of an NHL season (teams play a bit harder than in October).

Who said anything about "throwing" him into games? I, and several other posters in this thread have been consistently advocating for a measured approach that includes close monitoring of Bennett's progress, a conditioning stint in the AHL, and the possibility of easing him into the lineup. This is what I referred to as "due diligence" on the team's part.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Look at what happened to Monahan in LA. That Regher hit on a Bennett shoulder is something he wouldn't face in the AHL, in all liklihood.

Which is why I think the team should send him to the AHL. Having said that, Bennett is not some porcelain waif who will crumble upon contact. Yes, he is undersized, but not so much that he is guaranteed to suffer catastrophic injury upon exposure to NHL-level hitting. I'm sure the Flames training staff will have his best interests at heart, and are well aware of his physical limitations following surgery. I'm just not entirely convinced that those limitations are intrinsically as static as you seem to presume.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Let's do Red Wings development, not Oiler development.

Wrong on both counts. The Flames should follow their own instincts, and make the decision about where Bennett should play the balance of the season upon considerations of what is best for him and the team. That decision could very well have him playing NHL playoff hockey in the Spring.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

6'0'' 167lbs David Pastrnak

6'1'' 178lbs Sam Bennett

Pastrnak in the AHL put up 27pts in 24 games while being less physically developed than Bennett. I think Bennett will be fine.

I don't know much about Pastrnak, but I'm assuming he doesn't play the same hard nosed style that Bennett does. And he probably didn't go to the AHL right after having major shoulder surgery.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by codynw

I don't know much about Pastrnak, but I'm assuming he doesn't play the same hard nosed style that Bennett does. And he probably didn't go to the AHL right after having major shoulder surgery.

oh please, you are insinuating like his shoulder is being held together by thread and gum.

it is almost like he hasn't been doing rehab or strengthening his shoulder under the care of some of the best doctors and trainers in the world

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by codynw

I don't know much about Pastrnak, but I'm assuming he doesn't play the same hard nosed style that Bennett does. And he probably didn't go to the AHL right after having major shoulder surgery.

No, but Poirier did.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

No, but Poirier did.

Oooo snippity snap

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Or what?

Much underwear blogging

[FBI]

PS Let's not fight over who will be better Bennett or Gaudreau, how about we revel in the fact that we may have 2 franchise players there for a decade to come.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by FBI

PS Let's not fight over who will be better Bennett or Gaudreau, how about we revel in the fact that we may have 2 franchise players there for a decade to come.

Don't forget Monahan, he's got the size to back up being a #1 centre for a decade.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Don't forget Monahan, he's got the size to back up being a #1 centre for a decade.

...and you don't forget Brodie, he's got the passing, skating, and IQ to be a #1 Defenseman for a decade. Wouldn't be surprised if his shot comes too.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

No, but Poirier did.

[GioforPM]

I know what a false dichotomy is thank you. Logical fallacies are one of the basics of law school.

What I presented was a dichotomy but not as absolutes - as exemplars on the extremes. I'm surprised you didn't get that. The Red Wings are consistently recognized as leaders in developing talent. I simply say that it's a pattern to emulate. And it's also the far more prudent and less risky approach.

What makes you think Bennett can't be evaluated in the minors? We are talking a month of play.

And he is not winning a Stanley Cup for the Flames this year.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I know what a false dichotomy is thank you. Logical fallacies are one of the basics of law school.

Why am I not surprised you are in law school.

[sureLoss]

Assuming Bennett is cleared on February 15, he would play 4 AHL games on a 2 week AHL conditioning stint.

2 games against the Oilers affiliate.
1 game against the Canucks affiliate
1 game against the Leafs affiliate.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Igster

Why am I not surprised you are in law school.

I haven't been in law school for about 20 years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Assuming Bennett is cleared on February 15, he would play 4 AHL games on a 2 week AHL conditioning stint.

2 games against the Oilers affiliate.
1 game against the Canucks affiliate
1 game against the Leafs affiliate.

Maybe they should give him an easier time and just play him against those NHL teams.