Israel and Lebanon now fighting

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Igottago

haha...you mean you're either with them or against them? I think I've heard that somewhere before. The world is a simple place.

I know.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

You know, for all the accusations you level at people about spinning mindless hyperbole, you're pretty good at too.

Thank you Lanny, I'll take that as a compliment.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Thank you Dubya. Yup, I really hope Hezaballah (who ever the **** that is) sneaks a nuke into downtown Jerusalem and makes a few of them thar jew-boys extra crispy! After all, you're either with the zionists or against them, right Azure. There can be no middle ground.

Yes there is a middle ground, but that means you got to be as critical of Hezaballah as you are of Israel.

I really hate those one-sided, Israel killed 100 civilains, no mention of Israeli civilains being killed posts.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If Lebanon can't disarm or force the Hezbollah to stop thier attacks on Israel, and the UN hasen't been able to stop these attacks, then it comes down to Israel to protect thier citizen's so in my mind, that justifies Israel's response.

Sorry, If Lenanon wants to consider itself to be an actual government in charge of an actual nation it has to bring these elements to heel.

I'd like to hear how you think the Lebanon government can bring Hezbollah to heel.

GWB hasn't had much luck bringing the Iraqi insurgency 'to heel' with >100,000 troops. If the US (and their Iraqi partners) can't control Iraqi insurgents, how can Lebanon deal with Hezbollah.

You suggest it could be easily done. How?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Hi Winsor

Just because Harper has come out in defense of Israel dosen't mean that he's crawling into bed with Bush and U.S. foreign policy.

How is it a hardline comment. When Harper said that Israel has a right to defend itself, and that Israel's response has been measured. He's right on both parts.

Well, I found Harpers comments hardline, because they completely supported Isreal to the full degree and made no mention of peace or minimizing deaths.
I'm not saying that he shouldn't support them at all, but IMO a responsible leader would urge both sides to minimize violence as much as possible. Especially to civilians.

He basically told the world, that in Canada's eyes, Isreal has a free pass to use as much force as they see fit.

He didn't show any concern for the civilians that have been killed and now that Canadians are included in that list, he will likely have to backtrack

As for crawling in bed with Bush, maybe he is, maybe he isn't. His comment on the situation were almost identical, and wether he's following Bush's lead or they just feel the same way; I am not comfortable with our Prime Minister looking so similar to thier President.
I'm sure many people here are, but that's just not what I want our leader to be.

The Arab news thing is clearly going to look at this from their standpoint and their comments will reflect that bias. I'm sure jewish media will do the same.
I personally don't like picking a side in this, because I think both are at fault.

[kipperfan]

The attacks have now been broadened to include Lebanese Miltary targets.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...l-lebanon.html

"Lebanese security sources have told Reuters news agency that nine Lebanese army soldiers were killed and many more wounded in attacks on two military bases on the northern coast of Lebanon. Israel had not previously targeted the Lebanese military, saying its attacks were aimed at the militant group Hezbollah in a bid to free two Israeli soldiers captured in a raid last Wednesday."

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Azure

I really hate those one-sided, Israel killed 100 civilains, no mention of Israeli civilains being killed posts.

You hate 1 sided posts?
You are the king of black and white

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

I'd like to hear how you think the Lebanon government can bring Hezbollah to heel.

GWB hasn't had much luck bringing the Iraqi insurgency 'to heel' with >100,000 troops. If the US (and their Iraqi partners) can't control Iraqi insurgents, how can Lebanon deal with Hezbollah.

You suggest it could be easily done. How?

I would think the first step is to make some political move (don't know exactly how their government works) but there has to be some sort of emergency cabinet meeting to first get hezbollah out of their seats.

There has to be some way that they can tell the international community that they do not support hezbollah, and show it by attempting to rid them of any political power they have.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Jayems

I would think the first step is to make some political move (don't know exactly how their government works) but there has to be some sort of emergency cabinet meeting to first get hezbollah out of their seats.

There has to be some way that they can tell the international community that they do not support hezbollah, and show it by attempting to rid them of any political power they have.

They are going to have an even harder time getting rid of em' now, without a miltary to help, if they did try and fight Hezbollah out(which they probably wouldnt try) they will be without means to do so militarily.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

They are going to have an even harder time getting rid of em' now, without a miltary to help, if they did try and fight Hezbollah out(which they probably wouldnt try) they will be without means to do so militarily.

oh i have no doubt this is a complex issue, and that it isn't as easy as that. But they have to do something to at least get the some support from the international community.

I just hope they don't turn to Iran or Syria for help. Then we have WWIII.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jayems

I just hope they don't turn to Iran or Syria for help. Then we have WWIII.

No we don't because most of the Arab world has told Syria and Iran to get with the program and get over Israel. "It's there. It isn't moving. Stop crying about it or they'll just kick your ass again."

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

No we don't because most of the Arab world has told Syria and Iran to get with the program and get over Israel. "It's there. It isn't moving. Stop crying about it or they'll just kick your ass again."

Do you think that will stop iran? They worry me the worst out of any country.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Do you think that will stop iran? They worry me the worst out of any country.

I agree, Iran could give a flying **** what the rest of the Arab world, or anyone else thinks, they have their own agenda.........it could be scary if they aren't kept in check.

[Nehkara]

More rockets fired at Haifa, but thankfully most missed.

Israeli ground troops had a short incursion into Lebanon to destroy some Hezbollah forces, but have returned to Israel. (I saw this on TV, on CNN. Not in the article below.)

Unconfirmed reports of an Israeli aircraft being shot down over Beirut.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ast/index.html

[Nehkara]

Unfortunately, more rockets have now hit residential buildings in Haifa. Air raid sirens going off.

[calculoso]

So... Israel is going after and hit military and government targets (in the vast majority of cases).

Hezbollah is going after civillian targets, albeit hit and miss.

Is Israel still the bad guy in this? Even the G8 (with Harper supposedly playing a central part in unifying talks, according to CTV News last night) believes that Israel has the right to strike back although they should show some restraint.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by calculoso

So... Israel is going after and hit military and government targets (in the vast majority of cases).

Hezbollah is going after civillian targets, albeit hit and miss.

Is Israel still the bad guy in this? Even the G8 (with Harper supposedly playing a central part in unifying talks, according to CTV News last night) believes that Israel has the right to strike back although they should show some restraint.

I dont think Isreal is in the wrong with their response against Hezbollah, but when the Hezbollah strong holds are in southen Lebanon and now the Isreal air strikes are focusing on Northern Lebanese miltary bases, I dont know if i can support that. Esspecially considering the Lebanese miltary is not in support of Hezbollah, they are just too small and weak to rid thir country of the extremist sect.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

I dont think Isreal is in the wrong with their response against Hezbollah, but when the Hezbollah strong holds are in southen Lebanon and now the Isreal air strikes are focusing on Northern Lebanese miltary bases, I dont know if i can support that. Esspecially considering the Lebanese miltary is not in support of Hezbollah, they are just too small and weak to rid thir country of the extremist sect.

The Israeli take on Northern Lebenese Military Targets
"An Israeli army spokesman said his force was investigating the attack because, "in principle, the Israeli military does not target Lebanese soldiers."
Hezbollah is not known to operate in northern Lebanon, but the Israeli army said it had targeted radar stations there because they had been used by Hezbollah to hit a warship on Friday. It all but accused the Lebanese military of lending its support to Hezbollah. "The attacks . . . are against radar stations used, among other things, in the attack on the Israeli missile boat, by Hezbollah in co-operation with the Lebanese military," the Israeli army spokesman told The Associated Press."

Here is the Toronto Star story link:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...path=News/News

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You hate 1 sided posts?
You are the king of black and white

Especially considering that 200 people have been killed on both sides.



Did I hear you mention that?

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Especially considering that 200 people have been killed on both sides.



Did I hear you mention that?

He didnt mention it.........BECAUSE IT ISNT TRUE

FACT CHECK TIME........

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ast/index.html

"Twenty-four Israelis have died in the conflict, including 12 soldiers, and more than 300 have been wounded, Israeli military sources said."

"In six days of fighting, 165 people have been killed and 415 wounded in Lebanon, Lebanese internal security sources said"