Keystone Pipeline: Louisiana

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its the popular choice in terms of his fundraising and social status. I mean OMG if he approves it Leonardo won't invite him to the annual christmas party and throw a $5000.00 per plate fund raiser.

This is a president that is inconsistent at best, who has built a lot of pipeline since he was elected and continues to rely on coal and is the biggest exporter of coal that there is which is a hideously ugly fuel.


Obama is wildly inconsistent on his stance on everything and its no surprise that he's wildly inconsistent on his stance on Keystone.

He's used reasons like carbon increases and I believe it was his own state department that told him he was wrong on that, then he used the it will create very few jobs on that, and while its probably true that this isn't about long term jobs, neither is his pumping money into high way construction to create a lot of short term jobs and very few long term jobs. Now its the evil Canadian's are using us to move the Oil down to Merican terminals so they can twirl their handle bar mustaches while they sell their Oil internationally and use the money to kill American Bald Eagles for sport.

Meanwhile he imports about 60% of America's energy needs from Opec and Middle Eastern Countries by Tanker.

The guy is a doofus but at least Darryl Hannah loves him.

Is the insane ramblings thread leaking?

[oilyfan]

He can't touch coal because so many American jobs are at stake in that industry. Pipelines carrying "dirty" oil from Canada? Fair game...

[Azure]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

If he is only worried about his image, why is he making the unpopular choices?

You do realize that under Obama oil production in the US has gone up like crazy? And now suddenly he doesn't support an oil pipeline.

Talking out of both sides of his mouth is what he is doing. Like a true politician.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

He can't touch coal because so many American jobs are at stake in that industry. Pipelines carrying "dirty" oil from Canada? Fair game...

The EPA enacted tough Carbon emissions standards on power plants last June which for the most part focused on Coal power and far eclipse the rules that we have here.

Originally Posted by Azure

You do realize that under Obama oil production in the US has gone up like crazy? And now suddenly he doesn't support an oil pipeline.

Talking out of both sides of his mouth is what he is doing. Like a true politician.

Keystone XL isn't just any ordinary pipeline, it's rightly or wrongly the symbol of climate change. Approving it is will cost him a tremendous amount of political capital for a minor economic benefit. Yet neither our provincial or federal governments have done anything but parrot the same arguments over and over again.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Azure

You do realize that under Obama oil production in the US has gone up like crazy? And now suddenly he doesn't support an oil pipeline.

Talking out of both sides of his mouth is what he is doing. Like a true politician.

Yeah I do realize that, but I didn't realize he supported it and now doesn't.

[sureLoss]

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: White House says President Obama would veto Keystone pipeline legislation.

[CaptainCrunch]

If they get more then 64 votes doesn't that go against the constitution?

[Senator Clay Davis]

They need 67 (2/3 majority) votes for a veto proof majority, and they clearly don't have it. I do think this is mostly posturing, the veto is the only power Obama still has and it's the only negotiating tool that will work against the Republicans.

[CaptainCrunch]

At this point does it matter. If Obama veto's the bill, then the Republicans will refuse to pass any of his stuff through and we'll enter the lame duck phase of the presidency.

Nothing will pass until the election.

[burn_this_city]

Chances are they'll tie it to another piece of legislation he wants and it will pass.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

At this point does it matter. If Obama veto's the bill, then the Republicans will refuse to pass any of his stuff through

You say that like the Republicans have been passing any of his stuff for the last six years rather than being the most do-nothing, obstructionist congress in US history.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

At this point does it matter. If Obama veto's the bill, then the Republicans will refuse to pass any of his stuff through and we'll enter the lame duck phase of the presidency.

Nothing will pass until the election.

So, business as usual for the Republicans.

[Hemi-Cuda]

This isn't going to help the pro-pipeline argument

http://billingsgazette.com/news/loca...b8d0f9b9a.html

[RougeUnderoos]

TransCanada is going with the controversial "eminent domain" claim to get this pipeline built.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...120-story.html

TransCanada Corp., the Canadian company behind the Keystone XL pipeline, filed eminent domain proceedings against an estimated 90 Nebraska landowners Tuesday to secure the right to build the controversial project across their property...

“It’s our land,” said Allpress, whose farm has been in her husband’s family since 1886. “This is a foreign-owned company coming in and exercising eminent domain against our will for a project we believe is of no benefit to the United States. TransCanada has behaved like bullies with threatening tactics.”...

Crumly said her family first heard from TransCanada when a company representative called at 9:30 p.m. a few years ago to tell them that the planned route would go through their land. At the time, she said, TransCanada made them an offer that was less than the price of a set of tires for an irrigation rig.

Now I'm no expert in the pipeline business, or anything else unfortunately, but this seems like an awfully bad PR move. It smells like another 60 Minutes segment in the making.

My family has owned land in Alberta for more than a hundred years. Turn the story around and I just can't imagine why we (or my ultra-conservative Grandpa, if he were still around) would let (for example) an oil company from Texas build a pipeline through that land on its way to a port on the Atlantic.

Why would we?

Now sure, if the reason was "They'll give us lots of money", I could understand that. But if they aren't...

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

My family has owned land in Alberta for more than a hundred years. Turn the story around and I just can't imagine why we (or my ultra-conservative Grandpa, if he were still around) would let (for example) an oil company from Texas build a pipeline through that land on its way to a port on the Atlantic.

Why would we?

If it's approved by the regulator, the landowner doesn't have any choice.

Eminent domain is effectively the same as a Right of Entry Order from the Surface Rights Board in Alberta.

Your grandpa would have no choice in the matter.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

If it's approved by the regulator, the landowner doesn't have any choice.

Eminent domain is effectively the same as a Right of Entry Order from the Surface Rights Board in Alberta.

Your grandpa would have no choice in the matter.

Oh I don't doubt there is some legal wrangling that allow them to build right through these people's farms even if they don't want it. I just don't think it's a very good idea for a Canadian company to try it.

American's don't generally go in for this kind of thing. Neither would we (Canadians).

It's going to be tough to demonize these Nebraska farmers as hippies, eco-terrorists, or god-hating liberals.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

TransCanada is going with the controversial "eminent domain" claim to get this pipeline built.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...120-story.html



Now I'm no expert in the pipeline business, or anything else unfortunately, but this seems like an awfully bad PR move. It smells like another 60 Minutes segment in the making.

My family has owned land in Alberta for more than a hundred years. Turn the story around and I just can't imagine why we (or my ultra-conservative Grandpa, if he were still around) would let (for example) an oil company from Texas build a pipeline through that land on its way to a port on the Atlantic.

Why would we?

Now sure, if the reason was "They'll give us lots of money", I could understand that. But if they aren't...

Oil companies are a POS. Plain and simple.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Oil companies are a POS. Plain and simple.

and the hundreds of thousands of Canadians who rely upon the industry for their jobs should go work for the government ... who should tax the oil companies to get the money, right?

Give me a break.

Canadians are on the cusp of a devastating reality check on how important the oil and gas industry is to the country. I hope it doesn't happen - it will affect us all - but the amount of people wilfully blind to the importance of the industry is staggering. Especially in Ontario.

[burn_this_city]

Nothing would ever be built if every project, pipeline, highway, ect were at the mercy of every nimby dip#### along the route.

[killer_carlson]

check out the November 24th cartoon from this link below. Don't know how to embed it.

http://calgaryherald.com/gallery/editorial-cartoons