01-12-2015, 10:03 AM
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Average NHL career length.
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The average playing career for an NFL players is 3.5 years, the average MLB career is 5.6 years, the average NBA career is 4.8 years, and the average NHL career is 5.5 years.
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What's your opinion of an average NHL players career length, Personally I think these numbers are bogus. I thought it would have been closer to 10-12 years.
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01-12-2015, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Otto-matic
What's your opinion of an average NHL players career length, Personally I think these numbers are bogus. I thought it would have been closer to 10-12 years.
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You get a lot of players who get their cup of coffee for a season or two and then never see the NHL again. That really drives the average down. I think you are only thinking of the established NHL where that 10-12 would apply.
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01-12-2015, 10:08 AM
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The numbers are bogus, they're skewed by all of the Jagr's who play forever as well as all the guys who only get a cup of coffee.
Some guys' careers are measured in decades while others' are measured in days, it adds up to a number thats ultimately meaningless.
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01-12-2015, 10:08 AM
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I would have thought it would be lower with all of the fringe players that only get 10-100 games in before they head overseas and with all of the AHL players that get a few games here and there over a career.
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01-12-2015, 10:09 AM
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Yeah what is the criteria used? Minimum games played?otherwise every Chad Billins and Akim Aliu drags the average down.
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01-12-2015, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Otto-matic
What's your opinion of an average NHL players career length, Personally I think these numbers are bogus. I thought it would have been closer to 10-12 years.
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Honestly that sounded a little long to me. For every Selanne there are hundreds of lifetime AHL players who play a handful of games with the big club. I'm sure if you defined minimum career as players who played at least one full season with only a handful of healthy scratches, that number would be higher.
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01-12-2015, 10:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto-matic
What's your opinion of an average NHL players career length, Personally I think these numbers are bogus. I thought it would have been closer to 10-12 years.
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It depends on what is a year and you inclusion criteria. Is Candari included even though he's only played 1 game? Does that count as a 1 year career?
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01-12-2015, 10:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto-matic
What's your opinion of an average NHL players career length, Personally I think these numbers are bogus. I thought it would have been closer to 10-12 years.
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where did you find/get those numbers, that might provide some insight into the criteria used.......
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01-12-2015, 10:34 AM
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How common are career AHLers? Could a player ever be in the AHL for 10+ years and barely get a sniff of the NHL?
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01-12-2015, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
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Thanks for the link Jiri, that's really interesting. 
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01-12-2015, 10:35 AM
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Some people here aren't very good at understanding what an average is.
The Alius and the Brodeurs will cancel each other out.
Though it would be good to know if the numbers are mean averages or median averages.
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01-12-2015, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Some people here aren't very good at understanding what an average is.
The Alius and the Brodeurs will cancel each other out.
Though it would be good to know if the numbers are mean averages or median averages.
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Yeah, I over estimated normal career lengths on my end. Doh!
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01-12-2015, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
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Yup, I was just going to reference that. Based on their analysis, the average number of seasons (not years) is 5.65. However, that counts a player even playing a single game as having played a season. I base this claim on the fact that the sample size (i.e., number of players) is the same for the season-based and game-based analyses.
If you scroll down a bit further than that, you see that if you only consider games played (vs. seasons played), the average is 248.02 games played. This could be considered the equivalent of 3.02 seasons (based on a 82-game season, without injuries, without playoffs).
What would be interesting is if you made a 'expert-based' threshold, lets say of 50 games, and exclude any players that played less than that. I'd expect the number of seasons played to go up drastically based on the left-skew of the distribution. However, it doesn't look like quanthockey makes their data available.
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01-12-2015, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Flabbibulin
How common are career AHLers? Could a player ever be in the AHL for 10+ years and barely get a sniff of the NHL?
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I don't think too many just stay in the AHL, I could be wrong but I think there is a lot of mov't around different leagues.
This fella coaches my buddy's son so I picked him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Brigley
He has been all over the hockey map.
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01-12-2015, 10:44 AM
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Resident Videologist
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Some people here aren't very good at understanding what an average is.
The Alius and the Brodeurs will cancel each other out.
Though it would be good to know if the numbers are mean averages or median averages.
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They only cancel each other if there are equivalent numbers of each, which I highly doubt.
There are a tonne of players who get just a couple of games in the NHL. If they even came close to cancelling the average wouldn't be so low as shown above (248 games).
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01-12-2015, 10:45 AM
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I'm surprised the NFL average is that high.
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01-12-2015, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Some people here aren't very good at understanding what an average is.
The Alius and the Brodeurs will cancel each other out.
Though it would be good to know if the numbers are mean averages or median averages.
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An average is the same as a mean, and a median is a median.
The Alius and Brodeurs will only cancel each other out if you have a normal (bell-shaped) distribution. The challenge here is that we have a left-skewed distribution, so there are more Alius than Brodeurs.
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01-12-2015, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by nik-
I'm surprised the NFL average is that high.
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Yeah, agreed. The NFL just chews up players and spits them out. You could be a key player for a team one year, and easily teamless next year.
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