Toronto is no good

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bigtuna

phaneuf is easily as good as 7 million man kris letang. and chicago had 7.1 million man brian campbell.

Phaneuf is not a #3 d-man. Ridiculous. If he was, his numbers would not be as good as they have been the last decade.

Dion phaneuf would walk in on anaheim, the team with the best nhl record and be their #1 guy.

And it's looking like toronto's defensive numbers was a coaching issue.

lol!!!

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by transplant99

lol!!!

Letang is just terrible defensively. If he played in Toronto you'd agree. He is just not a #1 guy at all.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Fowler has 3 fewer points, and Lindholm 6. Anaheim has also scored 21 fewer goals (about 1/6th of their current total) so there has been less opportunity to generate points especially assists. Both Ducks have more goals than Dion.

Fowler doesn't have a single PIM this year (Dion does take some dumb penalties) and both are a lot better defensively and play only about 1:30 fewer minutes per game.

The Ducks could use a #1 D-man, but Dion ain't one.

I'd have Dion rated around 45-50 or so, with some guys that are inferior offensively ahead of him. He is that bad defensively. (Insert counter argument about +/-). The only two D-men that have more points than him that I would take Dion over are Vatanen and Green, and Vatanen is only because he is a rookie and an unknown quantity longer term.

No. They play easier minutes and would be killed in Toronto.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bigtuna

phaneuf is just terrible defensively. If you watch him him play in toronto you'd agree. He is just not a #1 guy at all.

fyp

[868904]

You just know that as soon as Phanuef gets traded, leaf fans will be saying how overrated he is and how his game really deteriorated.

He's a good defenseman for sure but in an ideal 2nd pairing guy.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Letang is just terrible defensively. If he played in Toronto you'd agree. He is just not a #1 guy at all.

What are you yammering on about now? Letang plays more minutes by a long way than any other player on one of the best defensive teams in the league.

Phaneuf is below average defensively....i think you are really trying to make a case for Dion that simply doesn't exist and in doing so you are reaching for anything that may suit your argument.

he is what he is....a below average defensive dman who has a better than average offensive flair to him....but when you add in that he is supposed to be the leader of that team and all the other supposed locker room stuff, then add in the fact of his atrocious contract....he is just not anywhere near an elite guy. And most certainly no where near the level of Kris Letang.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

And it's looking like Toronto's defensive numbers was a coaching issue.

So the leafs' puck possession improves in a game they still lost by a landslide, and in another against a bad team, and the former assistant to Carlyle is suddenly the solution to all the problems?

You keep telling yourself that.

[mile]

The Leafs have recalled Nylander from Modo and have assigned him to the AHL:

http://www.tsn.ca/maple-leafs-recall...o-ahl-1.180463

[Resolute 14]

TSN was bragging before last nights game about how it only took the Leafs two games to buy into the new coach's philosophy.

So much for that.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by mile

The Leafs have recalled Nylander from Modo and have assigned him to the AHL:

http://www.tsn.ca/maple-leafs-recall...o-ahl-1.180463

Worth noting that Kyle Dubas said there's no situation he can see where they'd call him up the the NHL

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

TSN was bragging before last nights game about how it only took the Leafs two games to buy into the new coach's philosophy.

So much for that.

LOL - the "new coach" is just the old one's assistant. Was Carlyle such a tyrant that his assistant never had any say?

[SuperMatt18]

To be fair it is being stated that the Leafs have made two significant changes to their defensive zone coverage and breakout, IMO they have looked better in that area the last two games.

In terms of Phaneuf ideally he is a number 2/3 on a good team. Issue is at $7.1 million he is paid like a number 1, and the Leafs don't have a cheap young player stepping up to play like a number 1.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Just in the interest of fairness, the Flames have the exact same record through the exact same number of games. Now this is either really good for Flames fans considering how they were supposed to fair this year, or it's really bad for Leafs fans considering how they were supposed to fair this year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To be fair it is being stated that the Leafs have made two significant changes to their defensive zone coverage and breakout, IMO they have looked better in that area the last two games.

In terms of Phaneuf ideally he is a number 2/3 on a good team. Issue is at $7.1 million he is paid like a number 1, and the Leafs don't have a cheap young player stepping up to play like a number 1.

Teams often try to do what the new coach says for a few games. Then they find out it's more work than their old habits. For example, the new coverage and breakout might mean Kessel has to come back closer to the D zone. He will be a good good guy for a couple games and it will work OK. But he also won't have as many long stretch passes to him and his gap will start to get bigger and bigger until he's back where he was.

[killer_carlson]

Phaneuf will be traded to Edmonton in the offseason in a deal involving Eberle or Hall.

My prediction.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Teams often try to do what the new coach says for a few games. Then they find out it's more work than their old habits. For example, the new coverage and breakout might mean Kessel has to come back closer to the D zone. He will be a good good guy for a couple games and it will work OK. But he also won't have as many long stretch passes to him and his gap will start to get bigger and bigger until he's back where he was.

Exactly. The whole "all our problems are solved!" attitude two games into the expected brief bump in effort and care level because new coach is amusing.

Lets see where the Leafs are 15 games into the new-old coach's tenure.

[Lumby Lager]

Toronto has played three western conference teams this month with a chance to help our playoff drive and lost all three games, rolling over and being out scored 10-2...Toronto is no good

[Locke]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Phaneuf will be traded to Edmonton in the offseason in a deal involving Eberle or Hall.

My prediction.

That would be hilarious because that would be terrible.

They would literally be a worse team. Which for them is actually an accomplishment.

[saillias]

The thing about TO that baffles me is that the whole roster always seems available.

The entire management team always seems one misstep away from getting fired.

They have a coach for 3 years, and for 2 of them the whole fanbase and local media wants him fired. Paurice, Wilson, Carlyle...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by saillias

The thing about TO that baffles me is that the whole roster always seems available.

The entire management team always seems one misstep away from getting fired.

They have a coach for 3 years, and for 2 of them the whole fanbase and local media wants him fired. Paurice, Wilson, Carlyle...

Toronto is a good example of a franchise with no patience. Pretty much all Canadian franchises seem to suffer from this to a degree. So far, the Flames seem committed to let a natural rebuild run its course, but I sure hope the fans with butts in the seat scan take it over a few more seasons, otherwise the Leafs are pretty much the flagship.