Also, as for believing in a god... if they're so powerful and existent, why don't they come down and show their face? I've never understood why they won't come down and meet their loving followers. Sounds pretty anti-social if you ask me.
As well, if there was a god would he/she/it have such low self esteem that he/she/it requires constant worship?
My rationale is simple. If there is a god, either he sees all of the unjust suffering in the world (child starvation, illness, abuse, etc) but can't do anything about it, meaning he is not all powerful and doesn't deserve to be worshiped. Or he sees all of that suffering, has the power to stop it but doesn't, meaning he is uncaring and shouldn't be deserving of worship
There really is no reason to believe in god when you see the kind of world that so many innocent people are forced to live in
You're forgetting the third option: there is some kind of creator-god, but it chooses not to intervene because, measured against the enormity of the universe, the suffering of millions (or even billions) of innocents on Earth is utterly insignificant.
Humans really are a strange breed. Smart enough to develop the technology to travel in space, create planes, high tech devices like cell phones, computers, etc. yet a large majority of them still choose to believe in imaginary gods. As much as we evolve we still cling to primitive ideology. I mean how many generations is it going to take for the masses to realize that you are born, you age, then you die and that's it?
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You're forgetting the third option: there is some kind of creator-god, but it chooses not to intervene because, measured against the enormity of the universe, the suffering of millions (or even billions) of innocents on Earth is utterly insignificant.
(I'm an atheist, btw.)
ie: ungiving a ####, still doesn't deserve to be worshiped.
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How would you discriminate a muslim from a non-muslim in this attacks?
How about non-muslims that fit your physical profile of one getting attacked? Would you let that go?
Would the attackers demand identification and proof of religion?
Jesus, move back to Poland. Sent your posts to CPS.
ahaha. I'm sure CPS is swarming my location right now cause I said I'd be pissed and don't know how I'd react if terrorists killed my friends and family.
Did you ignore the part in my post where I said I don't think I could ever be angry enough to hurt innocent people? Yup. Looks like you did. You also ignored the part where I said that specific mosque.
I'm glad to see you that you'd be cool as a cucumber though. That approach has worked great so far.
You're forgetting the third option: there is some kind of creator-god, but it chooses not to intervene because, measured against the enormity of the universe, the suffering of millions (or even billions) of innocents on Earth is utterly insignificant.
(I'm an atheist, btw.)
Still means he's uncaring, and if his creations become insignificant to him then why does he deserve worship?
I really miss having Hitchens around in times like these, no one could articulate the futility and danger of religion better than he
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#KillAllMuslims the #1 worldwide trend on Twitter. Far-right wing parties were already on the rise in Europe before this, I imagine their support will spike now.
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"Think I'm gonna be the scapegoat for the whole damn machine? Sheeee......."
If gods exist, they're all narcissistic masochists that enjoy seeing people suffer on a near daily-basis.
Personally, the sun should be the one we worship. Giver of life, always there, we can see it, and it makes the world go round (literally). It doesn't judge, and it treats everybody the same.
I'm not religious, but I do believe that there exists a higher power that we as humans cannot comprehend.
Just because this is how we view 'gods' in religious documents doesn't mean that, if there is a god or gods, that this is how they would act.
Humans really are a strange breed. Smart enough to develop the technology to travel in space, create planes, high tech devices like cell phones, computers, etc. yet a large majority of them still choose to believe in imaginary gods. We just don't want to let go of our primitive side of evolution. I mean how many generations is it going to take for the masses to realize that you are born, you age, then you die and that's it?
Fear of death and the unknown is ingrained in our evolution. Religion masks both of those. The only way to explain the unknown with some sense of "logic" up until 100 years ago was imaginery gods in the sky. The idea of an after-life removes the fear of death. "We never actually cease to exist, we live on in heaven... blah blah blah"
ahaha. I'm sure CPS is swarming my location right now cause I said I'd be pissed and don't know how I'd react if terrorists killed my friends and family.
Did you ignore the part in my post where I said I don't think I could ever be angry enough to hurt innocent people? Yup. Looks like you did. You also ignored the part where I said that specific mosque.
I'm glad to see you that you'd be cool as a cucumber though. That approach has worked great so far.
Oh I see, if 6 (I totally picked this number out of the air, so feel free to substitute any number) people from a mosque commit a crime/act of hate, then the whole mosque must have helped/enabled those actions?
Is it possible that these people(s) didn't learn their views at their mosque?
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Captain James P. DeCOSTE, CD, 18 Sep 1993
A full out war with muslims against non-muslims? That only ends one way...
the goal of terrorism is to terrify, to force a negative change in society.
The end game, simply put is to further force more moderate Muslims into the extremist camp by perpetrating attacks and forcing an increased hatred in Muslims in general by simple society, and to increase government security against all Muslims.
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#KillAllMuslims the #1 worldwide trend on Twitter. Far-right wing parties were already on the rise in Europe before this, I imagine their support will spike now.
Just to clarify, I think that hashtag is severely ****ed up so I hope no one thinks that because I said I don't know how I'd react if there was an islamic terrorist attack on Calgary, that I am some how okay with that idea in anyway.
All I wanted to get across is I'd be furious if this happend at home and I'm unsure how I'd react, like I'm sure many of you also feel.
Oh I see, if 6 (I totally picked this number out of the air, so feel free to substitute any number) people from a mosque commit a crime/act of hate, then the whole mosque must have helped/enabled those actions?
Is it possible that these people(s) didn't learn their views at their mosque?
Yup and if that mosque made real efforts to distance itself and prove that they were not the source of the radicalization, I would have no ill will towards it. But it would have to be a lot more than just a public statement.
I'd also need some sort of explination as to how they were not aware of these radicals amongst their ranks.
I'm not religious, but I do believe that there exists a higher power that we as humans cannot comprehend.
Just because this is how we view 'gods' in religious documents doesn't mean that, if there is a god or gods, that this is how they would act.
Well, we can only go by what we have to work with. If your entity really cared, they'd put an end to any suffering. If not, they aren't worthy of worship.
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Oh I see, if 6 (I totally picked this number out of the air, so feel free to substitute any number) people from a mosque commit a crime/act of hate, then the whole mosque must have helped/enabled those actions?
Is it possible that these people(s) didn't learn their views at their mosque?
But are you not obligated to investigate that Mosque. We know that Saudia Arabia has funded and built Mosques and Schools that feature a particularly virulent and fairly extreme version of Islam in Wahhabism.
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Well, we can only go by what we have to work with. If your entity really cared, they'd put an end to any suffering. If not, they aren't worthy of worship.
that's not how it works unless you have a god that doesn't believe in the will.
The Lord helps those who help themselves.
I'm not religious at all, but the reason why God allows evil in this world is to test the faith of his followers.
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Well, we can only go by what we have to work with. If your entity really cared, they'd put an end to any suffering. If not, they aren't worthy of worship.
that's not how it works unless you have a god that doesn't believe in the will.
The Lord helps those who help themselves.
I'm not religious at all, but the reason why God allows evil in this world is to test the faith of his followers.
So essentially, he lets millions of families lose their children to terminal illness at a young age to stroke his ego?
Sound like a great guy. I think I'd side with the anti-god if that's the case.
My whole family is super-catholic (my parents less so know that we're in Canada) but I made my decision before high school that there was too much pointless suffering in this world for their to be a God that would be worthy of worship. My grade 9 religion teacher told me that my final exam, where I answered the essay portion with my explination as to why I don't believe in God, made her cry and called me a bad person for it, when I asked her why thats the case, I'll never forget how she was lost for words and told me to leave.
I'm not religious, but I do believe that there exists a higher power that we as humans cannot comprehend.
Just because this is how we view 'gods' in religious documents doesn't mean that, if there is a god or gods, that this is how they would act.
Why does a "god" not show his face, yet apparently think the best way to actually prove himself is when the one muscle in your body that can make rational and logical thoughts - the brain - have to be rotting six feet underground before the evidence is there? You literally and physically have to have #### for brains before god will prove himself to you. Which pretty much proves his existence.
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