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Old 01-03-2015, 02:21 PM   #141
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I've heard adopting an animal and then summarily dismissing it is a great way to destress.
What's the point of this post? There is a great discussion in this thread? Why try to de-rail it?
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MDMA is one of the truly amazing therapeutic drugs out there.

It is one of the many reasons why we should legalize and control illegal drugs.
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Please post links to your support. Peer reviewed research would be best.

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Please post links to your support. Peer reviewed research would be best.
MDMA's value as a therapeutic drug is not exactly known. It started out as a therapeutic drug, but become popular as a party drug, which greatly restricted further research. It's therapeutic value is recently being re-evaluated, with an emphasis on PTSD, but the nature of the medical community is such that you need decades of research to say anything with real certainty. Initial reports seem positive, but the research has a ways to go. I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for, but here are some supporting links:

http://mdmaptsd.org/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/techn...9135/?page=all

I'd guess that the drugs therapeutic value is being re-evaluated due to the growing acceptance of 'better living through chemistry' in western culture, as well as the numerous positive personal anecdotes the drug has received, such as my own:

A few years ago, I had some emergency intestinal surgery which had a profoundly negative impact on my life: my health plummeted (at one point I weighed 130 lb @ 6'2); I had to drop out of grad school; I was in constant agony for months; I was dependent on others for my well-being; I felt incredibly alienated as i found my condition to be deeply humiliating and kept to myself as much as possible. This lasted for roughly a year.

A few months after my final surgery I went to a music festival and did MDMA for the first time. I largely did this because I was desperate to get out of my own head and trusted the people I was with. I felt the crippling anxiety I had been carrying for a year slide right off me, like it was never there in the first place. I shared my experiences with others who were in a similar state and felt reassured. I was reminded that life isn't just toil and misery, that the world is filled with endless wonder, beauty and joy. I found a part of myself that I really like and felt more appreciative of the things I had. I felt like I had achieved years worth of therapy in a single night, and holy ####balls was it ever a good time.
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I appreciate the insight and will reply further.
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MDMA's value as a therapeutic drug is not exactly known. It started out as a therapeutic drug, but become popular as a party drug, which greatly restricted further research. It's therapeutic value is recently being re-evaluated, with an emphasis on PTSD, but the nature of the medical community is such that you need decades of research to say anything with real certainty. Initial reports seem positive, but the research has a ways to go. I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for, but here are some supporting links:

http://mdmaptsd.org/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/techn...9135/?page=all

I'd guess that the drugs therapeutic value is being re-evaluated due to the growing acceptance of 'better living through chemistry' in western culture, as well as the numerous positive personal anecdotes the drug has received, such as my own:

A few years ago, I had some emergency intestinal surgery which had a profoundly negative impact on my life: my health plummeted (at one point I weighed 130 lb @ 6'2); I had to drop out of grad school; I was in constant agony for months; I was dependent on others for my well-being; I felt incredibly alienated as i found my condition to be deeply humiliating and kept to myself as much as possible. This lasted for roughly a year.

A few months after my final surgery I went to a music festival and did MDMA for the first time. I largely did this because I was desperate to get out of my own head and trusted the people I was with. I felt the crippling anxiety I had been carrying for a year slide right off me, like it was never there in the first place. I shared my experiences with others who were in a similar state and felt reassured. I was reminded that life isn't just toil and misery, that the world is filled with endless wonder, beauty and joy. I found a part of myself that I really like and felt more appreciative of the things I had. I felt like I had achieved years worth of therapy in a single night, and holy ####balls was it ever a good time.
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Thor- You just called a neurotoxin, "amazing".

Prepare to feel exiledflamesfan's wrath

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MDMA is one of the truly amazing therapeutic drugs out there.

It is one of the many reasons why we should legalize and control illegal drugs.


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Please post links to your support. Peer reviewed research would be best.
Well since the history of it has been mentioned, the biggest effect mdma has on people with serious traumatic issues is the ability to talk about the tragedy, deal with difficult and brutal issues and emotions while keeping it together.

PTSD is one area that has been shown to help with mdma, sadly its very difficult to fund and research illegal drugs, my old friend Bob Wallace from the old Microsoft days used much of his wealth to fund research into psychedelics and their therapeutic benefits.

What is so frustrating is knowing how many underground mdma therapy groups exist, often lead by psychologists who use the drug despite risking their licenses over doing so.

But for peer reviewed, here's the best I can do, unfortunately while we see massive growth in use of pharmaceuticals which have wide ranging affects and risks for the brain, which is of course fine since its legal, mdma and others like it receive no real attention because of its prohibition.

I've followed studies and research into psilocbyin (magic mushrooms) for a whole host of things, the most successful has been for cluster headache suffers, I have a friend who's life was totally changed by it.

MDMA (Ecstasy)-assisted psychotherapy relieves treatment-resistant PTSD

MDMA: Empathogen or love potion?

Psychedelic trips aid anxiety treatments in study

My friends at MAPS have some links to studies being done, completed, planned: http://maps.org/research/mdma

Also Google you can search a whole host of articles in science journals here:

In fact a good friend of mine is a neurobiologist, he recently wrote a paper on the harm of mdma on the brain. He is my go to guy when I find interesting stuff on mdma research, good or bad, he's brutally honest and skeptical so thats perfect since science journalism is so bad.

From MAPS, a great infographic on the PTSD and mdma studies, clears up a lot of bad information as well:

Spoiler!


Also a bit on Bob Wallace, he was a very important figure in the 80s and 90s trying to fund research into illegal drugs and promoting safe drug use.

http://www.erowid.org/culture/charac...lace_bob.shtml

Sanjay Gupta covers the new rise of studying illegal drugs for medical uses.

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Also my thoughts well explained by Sam Harris in regards to psychedelics, trade carefully but the power of them cannot be denied in having the ability to change your perception of the world, consciousness and a host of other things.

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Oh in case anyone is interested, my friends paper "Neuropharmacology and toxicology of novel amphetamine-type stimulants" Great read, even for laymen like us.

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