[News] Gaudreau named 1st star of the week

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by nik-

Where are your thoughts on that draft pick from that day? Or are you just going to deride people with 3+ years of hindsight to sit on?

I think the point being (or at least how I'd take the point) is that even on a site like this, who's collective membership certainly is full of smart hockey fans, that having polarizing / passionate opinions like the ones quoted in regards to draft picks and prospects, especially ones taken in the 4th round is ridiculous.

As good as the hockey knowledge on this board is, I'd wager there is at most, 5 or less posters that would have enough data and seen enough JG hockey prior to draft (and also have the ability to understand how NCAA hockey could translate to an NHL level) to even have any kind of opinion about that pick (either way). Yet everyone comes around passionately hating or liking picks based on what boils down to nothing. People get fired up over something they heard from some talking head, or how some poll ranks a player, or something stupid like at draft day he weighed 137 lbs. Sometimes it would be better if we all just took a step back and admitted we really don't have the knowledge, skill or information about these type of things to really have an sort of valid opinion on the topic.

Outside of opinions as it translates to the actual NHL Flames and the players currently playing on the Flames, the actual ability for the average poster even on here a top notch Flames message board to have strong opinions on anything going on with our farm team, or with our prospects or with potential draft picks in junior and NCAA drops off significantly and fast the further you go from day to day NHL action (just in case people were wondering, I'm including myself in this). Not saying there aren't some on here who truly know their stuff at the lower levels, but there aren't many of them. Yet, as that clip of posts shows, people still freak out and go mental over things they are in no position to understand or have such visceral opinions on, but they still do.

[nik-]

So basically draft threads should be "Ok, lets wait and see" for hundreds of posts.

That sounds incredible.

[fanman]

Way to go Johnny! Just a taste of what's to come.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by nik-

So basically draft threads should be "Ok, lets wait and see" for hundreds of posts.

That sounds incredible.

Unless people have actual past knowledge of a player, that would be nice, yeah.

A lot of the CHL guys are followed pretty closely by some posters, so when people have useful comments about their abilities as a hockey player, that's nice and welcomed.

The comments posted by playmaker are not useful to give anyone information on the player that they can't see for themselves. Yup he was small. Any knowledge of his play at Dubuque? Or insight into why such a small player is getting NHL attention? No? Then shut up.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by nik-

So basically draft threads should be "Ok, lets wait and see" for hundreds of posts.

That sounds incredible.

No... its just that these bold predictions and definitive statements are sometimes good for a chuckle.
Stop taking everything so seriously. Its a good thing when people learn to laugh at themselves.

No harm was meant. Its all in good fun.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by nik-

So basically draft threads should be "Ok, lets wait and see" for hundreds of posts.

That sounds incredible.

Well, it sounds like ####................ but it amazes me how many people during the draft lose their mind........"Feaster should be fired for that pick......" "Flames are screwed now"......"that's going to haunt us for years to come...." when they literally have 0 clue what they are talking about, because they can't.

Simple fact of life, the quality of discussion on here should be worse on things when the people talking about it have less knowledge. I'm not saying people can't discuss the draft, have opinions on what they'd like to see or have done based on their very limited knowledge, but the passionate freak outs (or celebrations) on any pick outside the top 10 are more often then not just un-educated drivel. Sure it's fun to get fired up, but it's not quality convo.

[djsFlames]

Only people getting mad are clearly the ones who said something stupid and premature about him and should deservedly get mocked. It's okay to not like a pick, but to call it a waste, or anything of the sort means you're dismissing a player prematurely. Always do research before making such comments, otherwise you're making yourself rightfully vulnerable to looking stupid later on.

I mean I was pissed about the Poirier pick at first, but I didn't openly dismiss him as a player, seeing as his stat lines were decent and I knew nothing about him. Looking forward to that list of quotes when Poirier breaks on to the NHL scene.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by nik-

So basically draft threads should be "Ok, lets wait and see" for hundreds of posts.

That sounds incredible.

Why should a 4th round pick even get "hundreds of posts"?

The draft after the 1st round is a crapshoot. Sure, you can come across gems like Mark Giordano, TJ Brodie, Josh Jooris, Johnny Gaudreau, but actively complaining about any pick after 30 is pretty silly.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by nik-

So basically draft threads should be "Ok, lets wait and see" for hundreds of posts.

That sounds incredible.

I think people are saying definitive and blunt statements like "waste of a pick" are dumb, whereas something like "hmmm, I'm skeptical given his size the way things are in the NHL with winning teams getting larger and more physical" would be a lot more thoughtful.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by nik-

Either way, going back now and mocking people for it is a dbag move. Especially when a person has no record of opinion on the player until now when everything is peachy.

Here's what was posted in this thread:

Congrats Johny Hockey !!!

btw. here are some early CP reactions from the 2011 draft thread:

Names were redacted and there's a distinct lack of "mocking". I don't feel there was any intention other than humourous given what were mostly realistic (though over the top) early comments on the pick.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Nice to see him get a star of the week. Calgary is definitely getting a bit more noticed, and hopefully the league-wide media will stop referring to Calgary as the "unskilled but hard-working team". This organization has lots of skill in the lineup, and in the organization.

Also, I don't think it is a '######' thing to remind people of their previous comments on the Gaudreau pick. Why not? People wrote down their opinions, and there is nothing wrong with reminding people who said what. So they ended up being wrong - so what? I am fully aware that any of my posts can be brought up at any time on this forum. I don't understand why people get so defensive.

I also quite enjoy seeing some posters who are so quick with their 'one liners' towards something Flame-related that are usually overly-negative without a single supporting argument or rationale. I myself find posts like those quite tiring to read (and yes, I am fully aware of how ironic that statement comes from me with my often gargantuan posts).

You can be negative or positive - just back up your claims and thought processes. Keep in mind everything you say or write down in life can and often does come back to haunt you. Fair game, in my mind. Don't think it is a '######y' thing to do when there were plenty of '######y' comments being made at the time.

[Hackey]

Good work Johnny! Now just repeat this for the rest of the season and the Calder is yours.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by nik-

Where are your thoughts on that draft pick from that day? Or are you just going to deride people with 3+ years of hindsight to sit on?

I didn't see it that way, I thought he was just pointing out how people misjudged him and now it is kind of funny. I guarantee everyone on this forum at one point or another has misjudged a prospect, for better or for worse.

If you ask me, if the people who made those comments 3 years ago aren't able to laugh at themselves now, they're probably cranky and stubborn people who I wouldn't want to be around anyways.

Awesome to see Johnny get some recognition. I hope he keeps it up!

[Huntingwhale]

Sometimes you gotta eat your crow, even if it's 3 years later. Who cares if it's hindsight, it's funny to look back. Those people back then who doubted him (me included) are MORE then happy to be wrong. I'll gladly get that sweet highsight all rubbed up in my face.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by nik-

Where are your thoughts on that draft pick from that day? Or are you just going to deride people with 3+ years of hindsight to sit on?

Seems more like contentment that he is turning into such a good player. Nobody saw this coming, not even Feaster would have predicted he turned into an impact player every night as a rookie at 160 pounds.

I was one of the people saying he would suck but man is it great to be wrong.

[GioforPM]

4th round is exactly where you do a Gaudreau pick. No one remembers 4ths that don't end up in the NHL. But when they work out, boy do you look smart.

[zyzz]

Originally Posted by nik-

So basically draft threads should be "Ok, lets wait and see" for hundreds of posts.

That sounds incredible.

It's pretty funny when you have guys up in arms about draft picks when you know they haven't even seen a game played by 95% of the draft class. Everyone on CP seems to be a head scout tho.

[Poe969]

So the flames had a rookie being named first star of the week and the oilers trade for a washed up player. Good times.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think the point being (or at least how I'd take the point) is that even on a site like this, who's collective membership certainly is full of smart hockey fans, that having polarizing / passionate opinions like the ones quoted in regards to draft picks and prospects, especially ones taken in the 4th round is ridiculous.

As good as the hockey knowledge on this board is, I'd wager there is at most, 5 or less posters that would have enough data and seen enough JG hockey prior to draft (and also have the ability to understand how NCAA hockey could translate to an NHL level) to even have any kind of opinion about that pick (either way). Yet everyone comes around passionately hating or liking picks based on what boils down to nothing. People get fired up over something they heard from some talking head, or how some poll ranks a player, or something stupid like at draft day he weighed 137 lbs. Sometimes it would be better if we all just took a step back and admitted we really don't have the knowledge, skill or information about these type of things to really have an sort of valid opinion on the topic.

Outside of opinions as it translates to the actual NHL Flames and the players currently playing on the Flames, the actual ability for the average poster even on here a top notch Flames message board to have strong opinions on anything going on with our farm team, or with our prospects or with potential draft picks in junior and NCAA drops off significantly and fast the further you go from day to day NHL action (just in case people were wondering, I'm including myself in this). Not saying there aren't some on here who truly know their stuff at the lower levels, but there aren't many of them. Yet, as that clip of posts shows, people still freak out and go mental over things they are in no position to understand or have such visceral opinions on, but they still do.

but....ignorance is supposed to be bliss....

[FlameZilla]

6 points in the last 3 games. Johnny's getting closer to that famous 2.0 PPG rate which he had at BC.

I never wrote the guy off, but in the back of my mind I was skeptical about whether he could translate his ability to the NHL.

To add to the expletive-laden thread this has become: he is a goddamn special player.