Mdma

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Meh, I know the feeling. It's easy to take the CC approach of if you do anything wrong you should be darwined out of the world (what a terrible thing to say to a fellow CP btw), but at the end of the day potential bad health problems are hard to come to terms with in the moment, and that's only amplified when something illegal is involved.

It's human nature when you start feeling something potentially serious coming on to shrug it off and explain away the fact that it could be life-threatening. It's may not be good decision making, but people will typically hmm and ha at making that drastic step of calling 911, unless they truly feel like they're going to collapse/stop breathing, etc.

Ask anyone in that field how many calls result in serious reprecussions/death as opposed to how many end in "Okay sir, you just had a panic attack, you'll be fine" and various other minor outcomes. Again, not saying it's right, but it's human nature.

Then you add in the fact that he was likely at home, meaning there wouldn't be an ambulance visit without his parents finding out and anyone that's done anything wrong as a kid knows the pure anxiety/fear of your parents finding out about these types of things.

Add all that together and what you have is a young person suffering from a likely mild panic attack/effect of the drugs and not wanting to take that serious step of calling 911 and changing his life as he knows it, with his parents, and instead put the question up to CP to see what people would say.

And out of that we somehow got CaptainCrunch ranting that no one should step in and instead let Darwin take it's course.

I don't see what much of that has to do with what I said, I never argued any of that. I hope he called 911, and hope anyone does if they feel they should

I was just talking about taking the drugs in the first place. I just hope he learned his lesson and doesn't do it again, otherwise what CC was talking about comes into play.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I don't see what much of that has to do with what I said, I never argued any of that. I hope he called 911, and hope anyone does if they feel they should

I was just talking about taking the drugs in the first place. I just hope he learned his lesson and doesn't do it again, otherwise what CC was talking about comes into play.

Sorry, I was kind of skimming and saw you post that you agreed with captain and applied everything he said to you in my reply. I guess my reply was better suited directly to captain.

[keratosis]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Speaking as a parent:

We'd rather have you alive to kill you ourselves for what we see as a poor choice of actions.

Quoted for truth.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Hopefully the OP is all right.

We can get into a whole legalization debate. If it was legal he might not be worried about his parents finding out, if it was legal maybe more people would suffer these effects? Seriously, this is an internet message board with about 0.78% of the information of what happened.

Realistically in a situation like this, what happens between the OP and the doctor in the ER should be confidential. Which I do believe it would be.

Like Drury18 said, take care of your health, that's priority #1, your parents grounding you isn't a relevant factor in this situation.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by keratosis

Quoted for truth.

To be fair, although I agree that is proper parenting to be that upset to find your child is doing drugs, it's that harsh "it's going to be the end of the world if I ever find you involved in that" that keeps kids so quiet about it.

If I ever become a parent (god help us all if that happens) I think I'll keep an open mind and open line of discussion on drugs. I'm of the opinion that harsh consequences from parents have little to do with whether kids experiment or not, so might as well be available to them for education and dissuasion through discussion rather than fear.

Keeping in mind I'm speaking from zero parenting experience, so I'm not going to pretend I know better.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Hopefully the OP is all right.

We can get into a whole legalization debate. If it was legal he might not be worried about his parents finding out, if it was legal maybe more people would suffer these effects? Seriously, this is an internet message board with about 0.78% of the information of what happened.

Realistically in a situation like this, what happens between the OP and the doctor in the ER should be confidential. Which I do believe it would be.

Like Drury18 said, take care of your health, that's priority #1, your parents grounding you isn't a relevant factor in this situation.

But in a teenager's mind it is very relevant, thats the problem and the reason this particular young person did not seek medical attention.

Also, someone can correct me but I believe your parents have full access to your medical dealings while you are under 21.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Also, someone can correct me but I believe your parents have full access to your medical dealings while you are under 21.

There is no age of consent for medical treatment/records, for most provinces in Canada (I believe Quebec is the only exception).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This might come as a surprise to some of you, but having your customers overdose is generally pretty bad for business.

The problem is that most dealers on the street level are in a long series of middlemen and don't really know what is in their product. The longer the chain is, the bigger the chance is that at least one person somewhere skimmed off the top and cut it with something to keep the volume the same.

Last year, 16 people in Vancouver died while taking what they thought was MDMA. Bad for business or not, it's a still something that happens.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Wood

Zach was online at 6:35 PM so I think it's safe to assume he's alright

Or, it was the cops/his parents going through his browser history trying to find out what he was doing in the hours before his death.


It's probably the "he's alright" thing, though.

[cracher]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

There is no age of consent for medical treatment/records, for most provinces in Canada (I believe Quebec is the only exception).

This holds true while the patient has the mental capacity to digest the situation. If this kid (assuming it's a minor) did a blast of molly mixed with other goodies and is on a long trip to la-la land, disclosure to parents may be mandatory.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by cracher

This holds true while the patient has the mental capacity to digest the situation. If this kid (assuming it's a minor) did a blast of molly mixed with other goodies and is on a long trip to la-la land, disclosure to parents may be mandatory.

Good point, but I was responding to the "parents have access to medical records under age 21" comment.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by getbak

Or, it was the cops/his parents going through his browser history trying to find out what he was doing in the hours before his death.

It's probably the "he's alright" thing, though.

Did it just get dark in here?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by icecube

oh, Shut up will ya Captain Crunch

Nah, I'll pass on that. He posted on a public forum. He's earned the feedback.

He's taken a drug that is basically a cocktail of chemicals manufactured by bozo's. With no guarantees of what its going to do. It wasn't that long ago that people were dropping from tainted doses of MDMA

A drug that can just as easily kill through dehydration and other issues. impurities in that crap can cause other adverse effects and he's on a forum saying that he's having what sounds like a heart issue and stating that 9/11 isn't an option.

Coming to a forum for medical advice for something that serious is just utterly foolish.

Even the advice of hydrating isn't necessarily a fix all, most of all because he can die if he over hydrates without replenishing electrolytes.

And the issue that he's having doesn't really sound like dehydration.

I would have had more respect if people would have said, screw the 9/11 isn't an option call 9/11.


Hell I would hope that if I came here and said I was suffering a heart attack that people would call me a idiot and tell me to dial 9/11 instead of fishing for ideas from non medically trained people that aren't there to diagnose.

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Nah, I'll pass on that. He posted on a public forum. He's earned the feedback.

He's taken a drug that is basically a cocktail of chemicals manufactured by bozo's. With no guarantees of what its going to do. It wasn't that long ago that people were dropping from tainted doses of MDMA

A drug that can just as easily kill through dehydration and other issues. impurities in that crap can cause other adverse effects and he's on a forum saying that he's having what sounds like a heart issue and stating that 9/11 isn't an option.

Coming to a forum for medical advice for something that serious is just utterly foolish.

Even the advice of hydrating isn't necessarily a fix all, most of all because he can die if he over hydrates without replenishing electrolytes.

And the issue that he's having doesn't really sound like dehydration.

I would have had more respect if people would have said, screw the 9/11 isn't an option call 9/11.


Hell I would hope that if I came here and said I was suffering a heart attack that people would call me a idiot and tell me to dial 9/11 instead of fishing for ideas from non medically trained people that aren't there to diagnose.

He's young, and was clearly terrified at the possibility of his parents finding out. He went to a forum he's been a part of for a while with people he trusted to seek out some advice, and people told him to call 911, what the #### is your problem? Should he sit hovelled in his shower like so many of our friends did when we were young?

I'm going to have to assume you either never tried drugs as a youth or had parents who were at least reasonably understanding given my own experiences with friends when we were young. I once had to knock on doors at 3am to procure the use of a phone to call a paramedic when a friend of mine dropped a few too many 2cb pills, he was so petrified at the thought of his father finding out he did drugs that he snapped his phone in half when I asked to use it.

[Red John]

Drugs. Not a very Wise Gamble.

[MelBridgeman]

mdma+chest pains = immediately 911

hope this kid is ok

[rubecube]

It's pretty obvious that many in this thread don't understand the differences between MDMA and ecstasy. I'm not going to argue for or against doing any drug because it's a pretty ridiculous and hypocritical moral stance for anyone to take. All I would advise is that, if you're going to experiment with drugs, do your research ahead of time and purchase them from people you can trust. And don't ever take anything in pill form.

[Righteous1]

It's usually the people who take too much and don't drink enough water. I abused the hell out of last summer and on my euro trip to the point I got sick of it and want nothing to do with it. Worst hangovers, serotonin levels were depleted for a bit. 5htp, fish oils and hard training in the gym finally had me feeling better.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about mdma.

What I do know if you don't mess around with your heart. My father in law suffered a heart attack about 3 weeks ago. It's scary but if you get treatment right away (which he did) the damage could be minimal, or next to none.

If you put it off, it can cost you your future or entire life.

That said, people are scared to do to the doctor. They have the "nah I'll be alright" mentality. Heck, I do this too. I've seen friends and neighbours have serious issues arise, that could have been treatable if caught early on, because they just didn't seek help.

Is going to a message board looking for someone to say "that's a harmless side effect, just when you drink red bull too fast, it'll pass in a second don't worry about it" a good idea? No. Is it better than not asking at all? On my god yes!

Just because asking here wasn't in the list of top 3 things to do in that situation wasn't a bad move as people here threw the top option at his repeatedly.

If you don't know an answer or are afraid of the answer in an emergency (or potential emergency) the next best thing is going to someone who does and getting help that way, which is exactly what the OP did.

[V]

I'm just shocked that the OP is young. After all of his old-timey picture posts I assumed he was on the older side.