Your Solution For Fixing The Flames

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I don't know as much as you guys but I do know that this team was doing perfectly fine before Stajan and Raymond returned. Sure we were playing hairy games we didn't belong in, lots of comebacks, but this team was exciting to watch.

This team I'm watching now is not the same. The chemistry is way off.

I get it, this team wasn't supposed to do anything this year and we have to let them run the course. But I also don't think the return of those vets and our skid are just a coincidence either.

We had a steady stream of competition going with the young guys that got disrupted IMO.

I would argue that the poor play of our 5-7th defencemen has forced Hartley to give our top 4 d men more minutes than he'd like. The wear is clearly showing with all the mistakes they've made in the past 8 games.

The forwards have been pressing too hard leaving a bigger gap between the defence and them.

It takes time for the vets to get back in the grove and it appears Raymond is most guilty of that. I'm willing to give these guys some more time.based on his early season performance.

The chemistry problem can also be confidence lost during this losing streak. It doesn't seem to matter what Harley puts out for lines, they can't score. I think it's just a coincidence that our losing streak coincided with the return of the 3 injured players.

IMO we owe it to ourselves to ship out these two guys, period. Beyond that I wouldn't do much but at least we know one way or another with this move.

If you shipped them out at this time you won't get value in return. Other GM's are quite aware of our situation and would be less than willing to offer fair value in return.

[PeteMoss]

Meh.... thought they've played pretty well these past two games.

Probably should just stop scoring into their own net.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Meh.... thought they've played pretty well these past two games.

Probably should just stop scoring into their own net.

I missed the Vancouver game so I could watch the Roughnecks embarrass themselves, but of the words to describe the Dallas game, "well" is not one I would use. They had effort, as always, but it was a 60 minute display of poor thought processes and a fear of the puck that resulted in too many passes, not enough shots, and plenty of turnovers.

If anything, finally scoring more than one last night might help the team as a whole start to loosen up a bit offensively.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Ok. Send Monahan (1g 1a -2) and Jooris (0g 1a -5) to the AHL to make room for the guys you want to bring up. Neither has done a whole lot lately.

Don't be an ass. I mean, if you think that either of those two haven't been doing a whole lot lately you should spend more time at the Roughneck games and stay away from watching hockey. They haven't been scoring, but the whole team hasn't. What they have been doing is going out and playing hard and trying every shift. That can't be said for many of the veterans. If you can't see that, there isn't much more that needs to be said.

Or does your version of "meritocracy" only apply to veterans and/or the guys you don't like?

Meritocracy should be applied equally, where contract status or how long you've been in the league don't matter. Especially for a team that is rebuilding and looking to get better. You don't get better and you don't win when you keep useless players around just because they have been in the league for a while. If a young player comes in and outplays the veteran its time for that older guy to move on. Results matter and when you have a young team playing for each other and winning, what more can you ask for? Isn't that what some of you people are asking for down on the farm? If it is good enough for Adirondack why is it not good enough for Calgary?

[jayswin]

Where would Calgarypuck be without Resolute? Seriously.

[Resolute 14]

"...should be applied equally..."

Yup...

[Resolute 14]

Oh, and you probably shouldn't be getting holier than thou about "staying away from hockey" when you seriously proposed wasting a roster spot on an "ugly salary" for no good reason because momma Treliving won't let your toys out of the box.

[Bezer]

Came for the "Stay the course" and I agree..

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Oh, and you probably shouldn't be getting holier than thou about "staying away from hockey" when you seriously proposed wasting a roster spot on an "ugly salary" for no good reason because momma Treliving won't let your toys out of the box.

I was answering your inane question about dealing with the salary cap, like that is some excuse for the state of the team. You made it sound like the Flames hands are completely tied because they have to meet the cap floor. That should not be a constraint that prevents the team from getting better. If it is, the system is completely broken.

Here's the question you need to answer. How exactly does the team get better if they won't play the best performing players they have under contract?

If they don't, aren't they just going full Oiler and tanking as hard as they can to try and get that precious high draft pick some of you want so bad?

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by troutman

Fixing the Flames will take years. Not thinking about right now at all.

I also don't think the Flames need a quick fix or should be in a hurry to fix something that is really not broken from the start of this season. They've kind of set the bar so high that the expectations from a lot of bandwagoners is win now when they really can't.

However, continuing with the rebuild process going into year 3 is the following:
1) Size
2) More speed
3) Bring in guys who has good puck control
4) A sniper for Gaudreau
5) more depth on Center.
6) more size on defence

If the Flames continue to lose those 1 goal games in regulation, at least they're battling and losing close games. I'm OK with that as long as they come away with a good draft pick in 2015. I definitely hope they're sellers again come trading deadline.

[GioforPM]

No need to make trades to try and win now. That wasn't the goal at the start of the year and shouldn't be now. If you can make a trade to improve the team long term, fine. But that involves guys most here wouldn't want to see traded. The only get I can see that needs to be traded is Glencross, if he can't come to terms before the trade deadline.

[DownhillGoat]

Blow it up.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by New Era

I was answering your inane question about dealing with the salary cap, like that is some excuse for the state of the team. You made it sound like the Flames hands are completely tied because they have to meet the cap floor. That should not be a constraint that prevents the team from getting better. If it is, the system is completely broken.

Here's the question you need to answer. How exactly does the team get better if they won't play the best performing players they have under contract?

If they don't, aren't they just going full Oiler and tanking as hard as they can to try and get that precious high draft pick some of you want so bad?

You don't "play the best performing contact". You just don't. For example, Ferland did not deserve to go down, but as the only waiver exempt option he had to. Do you trade a vet for spare parts (if you even can) just to fit in a guy who has really only played maybe 10 games? That's bad asset management. Oiler type
Do you part with Raymond now? Ok, where to? Again, if there's someone legitimately playing better, fine. There really isn't. Stajan? What does that do to the lockerroom? Oh don't worry guys, he's done everything we've asked of him, and played all situations, but I wanna give Baertschi some time so Matt goes to the minors.

Let's hear one solid idea here on how to send vets down. The team was winning just fine with the vets before too, don't forget

[djsFlames]

Call up Poirier and Ferland.

Find a way to make the necessary room for them.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Pretty happy that if we miss the playoffs, we will also fall to a top 5 pick.

This team needs this for the future and although I would have preferred being a top 3 seed in the playoffs, doesn't look like that was reality.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Call up Poirier and Ferland.

Find a way to make the necessary room for them.

Why? Injuries will happen. Make room, and then if they struggle? Let 'em be?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Pretty happy that if we miss the playoffs, we will also fall to a top 5 pick.

This team needs this for the future and although I would have preferred being a top 3 seed in the playoffs, doesn't look like that was reality.

How is it guaranteed we'll get a top 5 pick, exactly?

Miss the playoffs is terrible if we're drafting in the 10-15 range. I do NOT want us to throw in the towel, just cause we went through 2 bad weeks. What a terrible attitude to have as fans if you guys are actually rooting for a high pick, when we're still above .500 and in striking distance.

Ridiculous.

[GioforPM]

The picks from 10-15 look pretty good this year actually. Many have been going up and down from 5-15 in the various scouting reports, and many would have been top 5ers in other years.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The picks from 10-15 look pretty good this year actually. Many have been going up and down from 5-15 in the various scouting reports, and many would have been top 5ers in other years.

I've heard numerous times now that this year's draft is like last year's plus McDavid and Eichel

[The_Future]

I agree with most. Do nothing. We are asking boys to be men. Give them a few years and this team is going to be amazing.