QOTD: How long will Bob Hartley coach the Flames?

[Bingo]

Bob Johnson's tenure in Calgary was brilliant. 5 80 game seasons for a nice round 400 games coached and first place.

Not since the first Bob has anyone been extended.

Hartley has 163 games with the Flames. At the end of this season he'll have 212 and sit 8th behind a slew of Sutter brothers.

At the end of next year (year one on the new deal) he'll have 294, good for and be 3rd place all time.

At the end of year two (time when GMs get itchy fingers) he'll have 376 and be second all time.

Where will he stand when his tenure is done?

[Erick Estrada]

2016/2017 as by then he's either getting tuned out by players or the team has made the playoffs as that's when expectations should be higher. Really though if this recent slide continues for the remainder of the season and deep into next season I could see him being shown the door or things could progress every season and he could be the all time longest tenured coach. Could go either way very easily.

[Poe969]

I think he gets another extension. The team isn't going to be great this year but they've shown they can do great things. They'll slowly improve and he'll help the young players develop.

[bubbsy]

how long is his new contract for (sorry, haven't read up on all this yet)?

[Northendzone]

i went end of 2016-17......

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

Just like the badger Bob, he'll be replaced by the coach that wins us the Stanley Cup! So I voted end of 2015/16. No real reason for that though. Just figure that if he doesn't produce a playoff team by the end of next season, it could be time to go with someone else. I like Hartley and I hope he's around a while, and the team keeps growing and developing

[ComixZone]

2016/2017.

Patience with the rebuild has evaporated, expectations are high, and we fail to make the playoffs in an ultra competitive Western conference.

[Huntingwhale]

I think he'll be extended again. But that time hopefully the Flames are Cup contenders and I truly feel that if it is our destiny to win the Cup again one day, Bob will be the guy leading the charge.

[FlamesAddiction]

It's impossible to predict without knowing how the team does. I think the next couple of seasons after this one are about showing improvement and player development progress, but after that, he (along with Treliving) are going to have to show tangible results in the standings.

If the team isn't showing an improvement by the end of 2016/17, then I think Treliving will be feeling a lot of pressure, and we all know what happens to coaches when the GM is getting heat.

I have faith that we will be competitive by then, so I think Hartley will end up coaching more than 400 games for the Flames as the pressures for him are a little different than they were for other recent coaches.

[Bingo]

Absolutely no offence to Hartley but the culture in Calgary will have to be one of a kind to not tune out a coach in 5 seasons. Getting through 3 is a huge feat in the league these days, as only 4 active coaches are beyond that now.

Would be a great story, but it's a bet I wouldn't make that he survives this next contract (assuming it's 3 years, haven't seen it confirmed)

[dissentowner]

Extended after Flames win the Cup.

[Robbob]

I think in year 2 of his contract we are a playoff team (if we fallow that average 4-5 year rebuild model). The third year will be a show me year seeing if he still has the team and can take it to the next level. If the Flames are a legitimate contender then I can see him being extended. If they aren't making the step they will look for a coach to take them to that next level.

[ForeverFlameFan]

It's been a long time where I was confident about our coaching staff. I think we give him another extension after the newly signed one's over.

[troutman]

Gregg Popovich coached the Spurs for 3 years before winning a championship.

Bruce Bochy managed the Giants for 4 years before winning the World Series.

The Cleveland Browns have had 8 coaches since 2000, and have not made the playoffs.

The Oilers are on coach # 6 since 2006.

Stability is often rewarded.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Absolutely no offence to Hartley but the culture in Calgary will have to be one of a kind to not tune out a coach in 5 seasons. Getting through 3 is a huge feat in the league these days, as only 4 active coaches are beyond that now.

Would be a great story, but it's a bet I wouldn't make that he survives this next contract (assuming it's 3 years, haven't seen it confirmed)

I honestly feel that after almost a decade of spinning wheels when it comes to head coaches here, that we finally have our ''franchise'' coach. There was a great article in the Sun today about the signing and I think as long as Treliving is here, Bob will stay.

“I remember my meeting with Brad in Toronto as soon as he took the job. I was sitting on the plane going back to my cottage, and I felt like I had been working with Brad for five-to-10 years. I said, ‘Gosh, I know this guy.’

“We shared one dinner and one breakfast, and I felt that we shared the same beliefs and had the same roadmaps, and we wanted to accomplish the same goals.”

The feeling eventually became mutual.​

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/17...th-bob-hartley

Every once in a while, a team hits a home run with a coach.

-Hitchcock with Dallas, 7 years
-Ruff with Buffalo, 10 years
-Trotz with Nashville, 15 years
-D Sutter with Sharks, 6 years

And those are only post expansion era. I agree, it is incredibly rare for it to happen. But I think we finally are due for some coaching luck and we've found our guy.

[Finger Cookin]

Multiple years, that's all I can say for sure.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think coaches get tuned out for two reasons:

They are the 'hard-###' types (hello Torts)
or
They are coaches that don't evolve well (hello Bylsma) as the teams evolve, or the competition evolves

Hartley has a few things going for him: he is good at teaching, he is a hard-### at times, but is very supportive as well, and he has developed a system that seems to be working for the Flames (though, so did Bylsma at the time, and he wasn't able to adjust when other teams figured out how to beat his system).

Nothing is sure when it comes to coaching. Teams make a change just to try and not become stagnant. Good coaches get fired at times. If Hartley can adjust his system as to how the team is evolving, and how other teams end up playing against Calgary, he will beat the odds and get another extension. Those are big odds, however.

The one thing that this organization should have learned (and I assume Treliving has in his time with the Coyotes) is that once you find a good coach, you try to keep him as they are not easily replaced any longer. It is actually tough to find a good coach, and more teams seem like they are changing too often now.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think coaches get tuned out for two reasons:

They are the 'hard-###' types (hello Torts)
or
They are coaches that don't evolve well (hello Bylsma) as the teams evolve, or the competition evolves

Hartley has a few things going for him: he is good at teaching, he is a hard-### at times, but is very supportive as well, and he has developed a system that seems to be working for the Flames (though, so did Bylsma at the time, and he wasn't able to adjust when other teams figured out how to beat his system).

Nothing is sure when it comes to coaching. Teams make a change just to try and not become stagnant. Good coaches get fired at times. If Hartley can adjust his system as to how the team is evolving, and how other teams end up playing against Calgary, he will beat the odds and get another extension. Those are big odds, however.

The one thing that this organization should have learned (and I assume Treliving has in his time with the Coyotes) is that once you find a good coach, you try to keep him as they are not easily replaced any longer. It is actually tough to find a good coach, and more teams seem like they are changing too often now.

I think this is really at the core of the matter.

Hartley has the advantage of starting off with a bunch of kids sprinkled with a few vets and has managed to really weave them together into a team. Now he has the added advantage of having been there from the beginning and growing together with the team and he has the experience to do it.

You treat a young team with a bunch of rookies on it that is rebuilding differently than you treat a team thats 'fully grown' and expecting wins and results differently, but Hartley can do both.

I think where Hartley might fail is at the final endgame. When its time for the team to really start pushing as cup contenders, can he do that? I think he can, but that will be the biggest challenge.

Thats where experienced teams throw in a veteran coach. A guy they think can get them across the finish line. But that goes both ways too. Chicago did it with Quenneville, Boston did it with Julien, LA did it with Sutter and Vancouver did it with Tortorella.....*collar tug*

I was a Hartley skeptic, but hes won me over. I get the impression that hes a really smart guy who only really says what he was to in order to get the desired results and that, ultimately, is what great coaches do.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think where Hartley might fail is at the final endgame. When its time for the team to really start pushing as cup contenders, can he do that?

Colorado says yes.

[You Need a Thneed]

He'll retire after winning his 12th Cup.