[Rumour] Dreger: Hall is the face of the Oiler's culture problem. I expect him to be shopped

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

I'm gonna try to not make this a Captain Obvious post so here goes: The Oilers have several problems, but in my opinion, Taylor Hall is the least of their problems. Fix the goaltending, and try to get some NHL quality defensemen by moving guys like Eberle and Yakupov.

If I were GM of the Oilers, I would keep both RNH and Hall and hope to win the lottery and draft McDavid. Try to get the best return you can for Eberle and Yak to address the goaltending and defense issues.

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you 100% there.

One of the biggest problems in Edmonton is the absolutely shocking lack of accountability coupled with an incredible degree of entitlement, both things which Hall is credited with being the primary driving force.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Sure, still doesn't mean that it was a good deal for Boston. Its going to continue to look worse as Bergeron/Krejci age and Seguin gets better.

I’m not saying that the trade Boston actually made was good or bad. I am only pointing out that the player they actually traded was stuck at #3 on their depth chart, and for good reason. If he had stayed in Boston, he would not have had the opportunity that he got in Dallas.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

I'm gonna try to not make this a Captain Obvious post so here goes: The Oilers have several problems, but in my opinion, Taylor Hall is the least of their problems. Fix the goaltending, and try to get some NHL quality defensemen by moving guys like Eberle and Yakupov.

Very few NHL defencemen have been moved at all this year, and none of them in exchange for guys like Eberle and Yakupov. You have to give up quality to get quality.

Unfortunately for the Oilers, MacTavish seems to believe the official party line, which is that the current young stars are just the 80s’ dynasty waiting to happen all over again. In their minds, they are not trading a one-dimensional winger to plug a gaping hole on the blue line or in the net. They think they are trading the next Jari Kurri. Nobody is going to make a deal with them at that price.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I’m not saying that the trade Boston actually made was good or bad. I am only pointing out that the player they actually traded was stuck at #3 on their depth chart, and for good reason. If he had stayed in Boston, he would not have had the opportunity that he got in Dallas.

They still should of valued him as a number one center, which I don't think they did.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you 100% there.

One of the biggest problems in Edmonton is the absolutely shocking lack of accountability coupled with an incredible degree of entitlement, both things which Hall is credited with being the primary driving force.

Does Hall have some holes in his defensive game? Absolutely he does and he needs to take ownership of that and strive to take more accountability and responsibility to improve that aspect of his game. I also think it is fixable, though. Of course, I could also be totally wrong with my assessment (wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

IF, Hall gets dealt, I see it being from a team with an abundance of young D. Hall for Seth Jones type deal.

Simple question: would you, as a GM, trade Seth Jones to acquire Taylor Hall?

For me, the answer is a chuckle and a 'no thanks'

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Simple question: would you, as a GM, trade Seth Jones to acquire Taylor Hall?

For me, the answer is a chuckle and a 'no thanks'

That's the type of value he has and will get though.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is getting pretty embarrassing, guys. We can all hate on the Oilers without deluding ourselves that their best player is absolute trash. Yes, Hall is a one-dimensional scorer. Many of the top-paid players in the NHL are one-dimensional scorers. Hall is at least as good at his one-dimensional skill-set as James Neal is - he's faster, younger, and stronger - and nobody thinks Neal is worthless trash.

Don't kid yourselves, Hall would bring back a goodly return.

What's embarrassing?

I think he's worth more than Neil, but less than some of the optimistic suggestions. He isn't as valuable as a one-dimensional Hull. But he probably IS somewhere between Semin and Ovechkin (closer to Semin, probably). I think that, collectively and on average, CP has it about right.

No way he gets a Pouliot + Depres + 1st + 2nd type of return.

But a return similar to what Seguin got is probably about right.

Something like a Poiliot + 1st + maybe something else like a goalie prospect might be not far off.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What's embarrassing?

I think he's worth more than Neil, but less than some of the optimistic suggestions. He isn't as valuable as a one-dimensional Hull. But he probably IS somewhere between Semin and Ovechkin (closer to Semin, probably). I think that, collectively and on average, CP has it about right.

No way he gets a Pouliot + Depres + 1st + 2nd type of return.

But a return similar to what Seguin got is probably about right.

Something like a Poiliot + 1st + maybe something else like a goalie prospect might be not far off.

So it would essentially be Hall for Pouliot, a first in the 25-30 range, and a goalie prospect.

If I was an Oilers fan that is not the type of return I would want for Hall.

You don't trade a player like Hall for picks/prospects.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I personally think the Oilers should try to shop him for help on defence or a legitimate goaltender. He's the one tradable piece they have that has the best chance to get them one of those pieces.

I just don't see that "piece" or "pieces" waiving a movement clause, which is 80% of the players that Oilers would be looking at, would have. Even if the other team would like to make the trade, it doesn't get past the player.

Lowe has run that organization's reputation into the ground for 8+ years. There's a reason they have (or had, since Pronger) no legit/significant character vets though FA, or through trades over the years to help those young guys develop properly. He's burned so many bridges and players with his double talk to try and get players to get there...that's blown up in his face, caused the team to fall into decay and had them draft players first overall as many times as they have. It's also forced them to overpay the players they had after the Cup run, and broken down players like Khabibuhlin cashed in with a 5 year deal with a back that had 2 years left.

Lowe being there doesn't change anything...coaches, GM's, good rookie talent...all going nowhere because they can't attract the other peices via trades or UFA because of the garbage Lowe has done to piss off enough players over the years...and its getting worse.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DOOM

So it would essentially be Hall for Pouliot, a first in the 25-30 range, and a goalie prospect.

If I was an Oilers fan that is not the type of return I would want for Hall.

You don't trade a player like Hall for picks/prospects.

As several people have suggested, Oiler fans are probably going to be disappointed.

But don't just sit there criticizing, tell us what you think the return will look like.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

That's the type of value he has and will get though.

Does he?

Will he?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

That's the type of value he has and will get though.

That wasn't the question. Simple question - do you care to answer it?

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That wasn't the question. Simple question - do you care to answer it?

If I was Nashville? Yeah.Forsberg & Hall with Rinne & Weber/Josi is a solid foundation. [MOD EDIT: No.]

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

As several people have suggested, Oiler fans are probably going to be disappointed.

But don't just sit there criticizing, tell us what you think the return will look like.

I don't think the Oilers are going to trade Hall, unless they get an overpayment.

Your proposal what would be a steal for Pittsburgh, imo.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DOOM

So it would essentially be Hall for Pouliot, a first in the 25-30 range, and a goalie prospect.

If I was an Oilers fan that is not the type of return I would want for Hall.

You don't trade a player like Hall for picks/prospects.

You're making the exact same mistake that they're making. The want the world for someone who just isnt worth it to anyone else.

Are you familiar with 'Sunk Costs?' Generally, you just have to suck those up and move along, but the Oilers want someone to pay for them.

They honestly believe that just because they decided to eat crap sandwiches for 82 games for Taylor Hall they are ergo entitled to be compensated for that.

Good luck. Its a shame that no one else in the league believes the same thing.

Originally Posted by DOOM

I don't think the Oilers are going to trade Hall, unless they get an overpayment.

Your proposal what would be a steal for Pittsburgh, imo.

And I'm not buying any more lottery tickets without some guarantees!

No one is overpaying for Hall. They just simply dont have to so they wont.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

If I was Nashville? Yeah.Forsberg & Hall with Rinne & Weber/Josi is a solid foundation.

Teams that want to succeed don't trade potential franchise defencemen for wingers with bad attitudes and even worse defence.

The Oilers could get a very good defenceman for Hall, but they won't get someone like Jones.

[davidbjordan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Teams that want to succeed don't trade potential franchise defencemen for wingers with bad attitudes and even worse defence.

The Oilers could get a very good defenceman for Hall, but they won't get someone like Jones.

Only thing I will add to that...

Nashville doesn't seem to have a problem finding and drafting defencemen... through trade appears to be their only path for point getting forwards (ie neal, forsberg)

EDIT: not often you get a prospect like forsberg for erat either

[Poe969]

Jones is going to be a really really solid all around defenseman, Hall is a one dimensional problem child forward. That's not going to happen.

[JohnnySkittles]

Sigh, you guys are so fixated on your hate for the Oilers that it's clouded reality.