[PGT] Rangers 5 - Flames 2 - bad times

[ComixZone]

The negativity here seems a bit overbearing. Did you truly believe the rebuild was over? That year 2 was going to lead us to the promise land?

We saw a great preview of things to come, but it was on the backs of high shooting percentages and some great puck luck. Both have dried up at the moment, but the truth likely lies somewhere between our fantastic start and our awful slide.

It's a work in progress, and I still see a lot of things to be positive about.


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[crapshoot]

Incredibly frustrating game. That PDO-pony we were riding earlier sure has moved on to greener pastures.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I'm starting to feel like this is all karma from the "Edmonton is no Good" bashing.

[Bezer]

I really don't like to add on to the doom and gloom but there are some very good teams right behind us and a good majority have a lot of game in hand on us.

Honestly as poorly as Brodie has played I couldn't image where this team would be without Gio or Brodie. And if one of them was hurt for a long period of time, oh boy it could get ugly.

It will be interesting to see how they get it turned around but my guess is soon. They have two days off to regroup...

[sharkov]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I'm starting to feel like this is all karma from the "Edmonton is no Good" bashing.

.......edmonton is still no good.....,,,,

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I'm starting to feel like this is all karma from the "Edmonton is no Good" bashing.

Karma re- a lineament can only be dish out but the cosmos. The cosmoses have more important matters that need attending.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I'm starting to feel like this is all karma from the "Edmonton is no Good" bashing.

As I posted on the other thread, karma is the religious belief that good deeds will help you be born as a higher level animal. This isn't that and it isn't really true anyways.

What you're think of is bad ju-ju. It didn't exist either.


Ha ha oilers suck. Worse than the Flames

[crapshoot]

I wish Glencross would have brought that fantastic lazer of a shot that made it 5-2 a wee bit earlier in this game.

[AcGold]

I have missed the past 7 games. What has happened to the team? How did they go from world beaters that would score 2 in the last few moments of the game to a huge losing streak?

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Ramo can't give up 4 goals on 13 shots. Totally unacceptable. I'd ride Hiller for a while.

The worst part of this losing streak is that the Flames are playing well, which makes it even more annoying that we haven't managed a single point.

Can't blame any of the losses on the goalies for the past 6 games really. The Flames defensive plays hasn't been that great. There's definitely less puck possession in almost every zone they're in. Basically, a lot of teams are starting to not give the Flames any room, especially for Gaudreau. Right now with all the neutral ice and just within the offensive line turnovers, the defence is backing up way too often. It's almost like watching the Flames from 2 to 3 years ago again. Even the best goalie in the world wouldn't be able to win this game tonight as a Flames.

[BruceCody]

[Hemi-Cuda]

Well at least we know just how much the Flames were overachieving earlier in the season, this stretch shows that they just aren't a very good hockey team. Same types of stupid mistakes game to game, lack of finish in the offensive zone, running around in their own zone making it far too easy for the opposition to cycle the puck. They were able to mask a lot of that with so many players being hot at the same time with unsustainable shooting percentages, but now all the flaws are glaring

But Brodie and Russell are by far the biggest disappointments, their games have fallen off a cliff and now they can't even seem to make a simple breakout pass without screwing something up. Nothing will change with this team if they can't get things sorted

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Just saw highlights of the first 2 periods. Hopefully Brodie was gassed at the end of a shift when trying to skate back for Nash's goal because he looked like he was skating in quicksand. I know Nash is fast but Brodie looked slower than expected

I don't know who made the official mistake on that play. I get that Brodie may have been slow to cover, but after he dumped it in I actually yelled at my TV because of Gio. Just seemed to me that he was really lackadaisical and ventured too deep to try to collect that dump in around the boards. I get that it bounced past him, but he really put himself in no man's land.

And of course, with our current form, Nash pots it immediately.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^^ Thanks. Like I say I didn't see the while sequence on that one. But the guys look fatigued sometimes. Some teams fade down the stretch but maybe these guys have been going hard for longer than they can stand and the breakdowns start.

As much as we collectively admire youth the reality is that being an NHLer means bringing it consistently for 82 games. They can't all do it on their first or second go around. That's why young kids get time in the minors.

Rotating even the guys like McGrattan in may not give you the best lineup on paper that night but the kids may not be ready for the rigors of 82

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Well at least we know just how much the Flames were overachieving earlier in the season, this stretch shows that they just aren't a very good hockey team. Same types of stupid mistakes game to game, lack of finish in the offensive zone, running around in their own zone making it far too easy for the opposition to cycle the puck. They were able to mask a lot of that with so many players being hot at the same time with unsustainable shooting percentages, but now all the flaws are glaring

Wow, that makes a lot of sense. So we discard the big sample size, and declare the small, recent one as being definitive.

Such a narrow, negative outlook.

Perhaps, it's somewhere in the middle?

It's really mind boggling people can't wrap their heads around this. This is a young, rebuilding team. There will be ups and downs. Trying to label the team as definitively bad during the downs is just as narrow sighted and disingenuous as labeling them good during the highs.

There's going to be ebb and flow to the rebuilding process. There is just no need to get so high on the highs, and (as this post above and so many like it) so low during the lows.

[Caged Great]

One of the things that I noticed that changed around the middle of November from the early part of the season is that the forwards are getting too far up from the defense. The larger gap is leading to longer passes, and consequently more turn overs and more goals against.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^^ Thanks. Like I say I didn't see the while sequence on that one. But the guys look fatigued sometimes. Some teams fade down the stretch but maybe these guys have been going hard for longer than they can stand and the breakdowns start.

As much as we collectively admire youth the reality is that being an NHLer means bringing it consistently for 82 games. They can't all do it on their first or second go around. That's why young kids get time in the minors.

Rotating even the guys like McGrattan in may not give you the best lineup on paper that night but the kids may not be ready for the rigors of 82

I agree that we need to be mindful of that. But it seems to me that in this recent drought the lapses are coming mostly from the vets.

Not trying to throw anyone under the bus. But by and large I think our rookies are faring a touch better than our vets.

[Karl]

Well, when it rains it pours I guess. Nothing going right for this team and when that happens, some people I guess need to find scapegoats.

Gotta say this though. About 4 or 5 posters are serious goofs (lol at skcli, Flamezzz, Cobra Jet and Stay Golden and northcrunk bashing Stajan, Glencross and Colborne in the game thread and/or during this 6-game slide and LOL x 2 at DOOM constantly bashing Byron over the last week).

I mean, FFS, if you're going to bash those guys at least do it when they actually are sucking. There are a number of other guys who are genuinely stinkin it up out there A LOT worse.

[Wastedyouth]

I know there is a lot of resistance to the acceptance of "advanced stats" on CP. But I am encouraged to see people asking about it and talking about it. Even sometimes in jest.

Whoever is running CP's twitter has also gotten into the act.

I understand the resistance, but I find that using the stats to help evaluate the game doesn't make the experience worse for me, it actually makes it better. As it allows me to look at my own biases I have when I just watch the game, and I can rewatch a game with a new outlook when I realize that I wasn't seeing what was actually happening on the ice.

Anywho, I am sure most of you don't care, but I wanted to post that.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I know there is a lot of resistance to the acceptance of "advanced stats" on CP. But I am encouraged to see people asking about it and talking about it. Even sometimes in jest.

Whoever is running CP's twitter has also gotten into the act.

I understand the resistance, but I find that using the stats to help evaluate the game doesn't make the experience worse for me, it actually makes it better. As it allows me to look at my own biases I have when I just watch the game, and I can rewatch a game with a new outlook when I realize that I wasn't seeing what was actually happening on the ice.

Anywho, I am sure most of you don't care, but I wanted to post that.

Good post.

My issue with advanced stats, and any stats at all in this world, isn't with the stats themselves. It's the way people try and apply them sometimes that makes me roll my eyes.

Terrific tool if they're used properly.
Using them to try and win an argument in a sports bar or on a forum isn't using them properly.