[Rumour] Friedman: Flames looking at Chris Stewart

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by heep223

Thanked for excellent vocabulary.

IMHO:

A level prospects: Bennett. (Both Gaudreau and Monahan were A level as well, I suppose you could argue JG is still a prospect but in my mind he's proven he's an NHLer already).

B level: Wotherspoon, Poirier, Granlund, Baertschi, Jooris, Ferland.

Everyone else is below.

If they're looking for a B level for Stewart I would think that we'd have to trade one of those 6 guys which would suck and therefore let's not do it. X factor is the Reinhart connection.

Bottom line: only deal I would look at would be something like Reinhart + Seto for Stewart (max).

When media use terms like B level prospect, they usually simply mean 'not that great of a prospect'.

There is no way that the conversation for Stewart included any of the guys you named as B level prospects. More likely a Hanowski, Kulak, Agostino level.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When media use terms like B level prospect, they usually simply mean 'not that great of a prospect'.

There is no way that the conversation for Stewart included any of the guys you named as B level prospects. More likely a Hanowski, Kulak, Agostino level.

If that's the case, I would trade any of those three straight up for Stewart in a heart beat.

[TheDebaser]

^Yeah, those really great players usually get called "blue chip" prospects, and then the grade level system gets used from there.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When media use terms like B level prospect, they usually simply mean 'not that great of a prospect'.

There is no way that the conversation for Stewart included any of the guys you named as B level prospects. More likely a Hanowski, Kulak, Agostino level.

I hope I'm wrong, but if Stewart could have been had for the likes of Agostino or Hanowski I'd suggest he would have been traded by now. I get he's no slam dunk, but someone would have to be willing to take the risk given the POTENTIAL upside for that cost.

I'm much more inclined to think for now the Saber's are looking for more than that.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Cundari isn't a B-level prospect.

Wotherspoon is a B-level prospect.

Sorry, I wasn't implying Cundari was a B level prospect. I mean't that someone like him I'd give up for Stewart, making their farm team immediately better and us taking a chance on Stewart.

I wouldn't give up a B level prospect for Stewart.

[Jay Random]

Cundari could easily be labelled a B-level prospect in mediaspeak. This is the same language in which the Sabres and Oilers are ‘mediocre’ NHL teams. Grade inflation at its finest.

This is why I asked my rather snarky question about what the definition of a B-level prospect is. Some people won’t use any letter lower than B, because that might hurt somebody’s widdle feewings. And some won’t do it because they are imitating the first sort of people; also because they can’t count, and have never figured out that Garrison Keillor was joking when he said ‘all the children are above average’.

[thymebalm]

The rights to Chad Billins, Kenny Agostino, and Paul Byron?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I hope I'm wrong, but if Stewart could have been had for the likes of Agostino or Hanowski I'd suggest he would have been traded by now. I get he's no slam dunk, but someone would have to be willing to take the risk given the POTENTIAL upside for that cost.

I'm much more inclined to think for now the Saber's are looking for more than that.

You could be right. There is another angle that CP might be missing.... It's fine and dandy that buffalo only wants prospects, but a team like the flames need to trade a roster player to bring another guy in. Sure they could demote someone, but Granlund plays center and is needed, and Jorris was just told to look for a residence.

Flames might have been more inclined to take a chance on Stewart if Buffalo would take back a roster contract.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

The rights to Chad Billins, Kenny Agostino, and Paul Byron?

I wouldn't trade Byron for Stewart straight up. Byron plays with heart, and is a quality NHL'er; Stewart is now absent from those qualities.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah I would definitely rather have Byron than Stewart.

I posted this in another thread, but how about Billins and Hanowski for Stewart? If they want to shore up their farm team, that would definitely do it. They also get rid of a contract that they are not enjoying paying.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Muta

I wouldn't trade Byron for Stewart straight up. Byron plays with heart, and is a quality NHL'er; Stewart is now absent from those qualities.

Well, I sure as heck would. Stewart has more goals in his worst season than Byron has over his entire career.

That being said, the offer in the post you replied to had too much going to Buffalo IMO.

[lanny9]

How about nobody for Chris Stewart! He's big, but he has NO game left, his career is all but over and will get a Seto contact next year before that team ships him to the minors. We have some big bodies in the A that could easily show more in the NHL so why not move them up if we want a big body? Not only that, but our big bodies will be much hungrier and willing to go through a wall in order to keep their NHL job whereas Stewart doesn't look like he's that willing any more.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Well, I sure as heck would. Stewart has more goals in his worst season than Byron has over his entire career.

That being said, the offer in the post you replied to had too much going to Buffalo IMO.

Stewart's NHL future is on very thin ice if he continues the way he's playing this season. On-ice performance aside, I believe there are rumblings about him not fitting in the dressing room either.

Any trade where Stewart comes to Calgary is almost on a compassion basis, and guys like Byron should not be given up for him. Paul fights every night, even if he can't finish. And his speed, a contributing factor to the performance of the Flames, can't be ignored.

No dice on a Byron for Stewart trade IMO.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Stewart's NHL future is on very thin ice if he continues the way he's playing this season. On-ice performance aside, I believe there are rumblings about him not fitting in the dressing room either.

Any trade where Stewart comes to Calgary is almost on a compassion basis, and guys like Byron should not be given up for him. Paul fights every night, even if he can't finish. And his speed, a contributing factor to the performance of the Flames, can't be ignored.

No dice on a Byron for Stewart trade IMO.

I don't want the Flames to be the team that works hard every night and never wins. At a certain point you have to have someone who can score goals. Is Stewart that guy? Probably not, but he could be. Is Byron that guy? Definitely not.

Heck, Byron has cleared waivers how many times already in his career? The way some people talk about him, it's like he's an up and comer or something.

[thymebalm]

Too bad Paul Byron doesn't have these hands on a breakaway ^

[Ozy_Flame]

Doesn't matter. Do we really want to trade for another reclamation project? How often has that worked out for us? Trading for Stewart is a gamble - no matter how you look at it.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Well, I sure as heck would. Stewart has more goals in his worst season than Byron has over his entire career.

Wasn't there a weird similar statistic for Setoguchi when he first came to Calgary?

[btimbit]

Setoguchi and Hanowski?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Byron is drastically over rated by many on this board because he does embody all the things we as fans want every single more talented player to bring on top of their talent. He works hard, he's fast and he's willing to pay any price. And for now he still meets the age requirement for many on here to beck popular player.

But outside of him being a key cog in the dressing room (which is possible but can't be known unless you are actually in the room) Byron would likely not be missed. He's an undersized player with limited offensive upside, naking him very replaceable with one of any number of players already invthis teams system. If the Flames were a team that lacked players who bring Byrons intensity I might not have the same opinion but luckily the Flames are pretty good in the attitude department.

Given Byrons size, contract status and lack of offensive upside, he us for sure an asset the Flames could look to move or takes risk with.

[iamca]

Really hope there are no legs to this rumor. Read or talk to St. Louis media or fans and they'll tell you to stay far away from Chris Stewart. He is summed up by a inconsistent player with a lack of passion and care for playing the game. He got paid and is content to sit or not put forth the effort, let alone really compete night in and night out.

Hitchcock can motivate, however you must be consistent or you'll quickly find yourself benched. Hitch could not get the effort or the buy in from Stewart, so he was shipped out.

The Flames do not need this type of player on the team and in the lockeroom.