[Rumour] Dreger: Hall is the face of the Oiler's culture problem. I expect him to be shopped

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He seemed to care about winning when he led his team to back to back Memorial cups.

If you're winning and you get to play the way you want you'd be pretty happy.

On a bad team like the Oilers who need more out him than just skating really fast down the wing, it's a huge issue when a player doesn't want to adapt. The Oilers are a disaster at developing players, but you also need to have some character and heart to begin with. I'm not sure Hall has those qualities in spades.

[devo22]

That NYI idea with Strome and Reinhart for Hall actually makes a ton of sense.

Also the Flyers could be a good fit. The Oilers have been interested in Coburn for a while and the Flyers have really good center depth (Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Laughton). A package of either Schenn or Couturier plus Coburn would surely be an interesting starting point in negotiations. A top 6 of

Hall-Giroux-Voracek
Raffl-Schenn/Couturier-Simmonds

would surely be an enticing thought for Hextall too, I imagine.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

in the last 3 seasons of 5on5 play he is 3rd in points per 60 min behind only Crosby and Malkin

On the other side of that is poor defensive play, laziness on the ice, not listening to coaches, and not sticking up for teammates. That all adds up to lost points left on the ice by the team as a whole. Crosby and Malkin don't have anything other than possible health concerns hurting their value. Hall is going to get a good return, but not an excellent one, and that's a bed he made himself. He is way too talented to play the way that he does.

Edit : Seriously guys, I know that it's Garth Snow, but he's not going to return both Strome and Reinhart. The Isles are a good landing spot, but that is too far, and MacT isn't that persuasive.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I dont think anyone should doubt his winning or commitment, the way he throws his body around with reckless abandon should show that

His outright laziness without the puck and on the backcheck makes me seriously question his commitment and will to win.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Off ice issues? Never heard that one before, but Hall is a much more valuable player then Tanguay ever was.



Yakupov and Hall yes, but i'd rather have RNH.

Just curious as to why.

In his rookie season, RNH showed a lot of promise, producing at an .839PPG pace. However, since then, he has gone: .600, .700, and .655PPG, or basically .650 for the past 3 years.

In year 2, Monahan is currently producing at a .625 pace. Pretty much a wash there.

Monahan scores more goals. He has a better 200 ft game. He is bigger, stronger, and healthier. He is better in face-offs. He can kill penalties. He is a smarter player and better defensively. And he has shown to be incredibly clutch.

Exactly what does RNH do better than Monahan? Serious question.

[Huntingwhale]

I blame Hall's big juicy lips

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Exactly what does RNH do better than Monahan? Serious question.

He gets paid more.

[-TC-]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

but you also need to have some character and heart to begin with. I'm not sure Hall has those qualities in spades.

And that's why I wouldn't be enthusiastic about the Flames making an offer on the guy...

I like his talent and his size, it's what's between his ears that puts me off.

[Stud_McCool]

Probably just Kevin Lowe stirring the pot so they can re-retire his #4.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by finger cookin

and what an ugly face it is.

derp!

[ComixZone]

There may be something to this. It always struck me as odd that Andy Ference, a UFA, was brought in and immediately made captain. Meanwhile, around the league, you see other teams gladly give the "C" to young, promising potential leaders (Landeskog, Toews, Benn, Brown, Tavares etc etc).

If he's looked at as a leader (he is an Alternate captain), then perhaps he shouldn't be. I can't imagine it would be easy to transition him, at his current young age, out of a leadership role in the dressing room.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

in the last 3 seasons of 5on5 play he is 3rd in points per 60 min behind only Crosby and Malkin

Thats swell and all, but those stats are meaningless. The quagmire of failure that is Edmonton puts the shadow of doubt behind each and every single statistic.

What do any of Taylor Hall's accomplishments actually mean when adapted relative to the rest of the league? Hes putting up marshmallow points that get him and the team nowhere. No other organization is going to want that so they wont put any value into that stat.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just curious as to why.

In his rookie season, RNH showed a lot of promise, producing at an .839PPG pace. However, since then, he has gone: .600, .700, and .655PPG, or basically .650 for the past 3 years.

In year 2, Monahan is currently producing at a .625 pace. Pretty much a wash there.

Monahan scores more goals. He has a better 200 ft game. He is bigger, stronger, and healthier. He is better in face-offs. He can kill penalties. He is a smarter player and better defensively. And he has shown to be incredibly clutch.

Exactly what does RNH do better than Monahan? Serious question.

He just has more pure talent, he's always been a longer term prospect/player due to his slight frame and needing to fill out vs Monahan who has a solid frame and seems to naturally have a better build. But I think once RNH fills out some more he'll be one of the premium offensive centers in the league. But you can't really go wrong with either and depends on what you prefer in a player.

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hall is the scapegoat for the Oilers mismanagement, they ruined him.

He seemed to care about winning when he led his team to back to back Memorial cups.

This right here is what slays me when it comes to Hall. He was so dominant and driven in Jrs. Had so much promise (and probably too much hype to live up to) and it's all been squandered away.

As a hockey fan it's hard not to feel like Obi Wan Kenobi in Revenge of the Sith when you look at the current version of Hall.



Edmonton aside I'd still love to see this kid turn it around on another team. Not that he can make the hall of fame at this point, but at least see some hints of the flare and compete he was suppose to bring into the league.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by jaydorn

I lol'ed

[landshark]

Also from Dreger today:

Darren Dreger@DarrenDreger No way Eakins, MacTavish or anyone associated with the Oil 18 months ago would have anticipated the holes in their lineup now.


Riiiiight... no one could possibly have foreseen this mess (except everyone NOT in the EDM front office)

[carom]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

“... These players will be embarrassed that Dallas Eakins had to go down because of their inability to respond. It’s not one player. It’s the collection of players that make up a sagging work ethic and lack of culture. But if you wanted to put a face on it, or a name to it, that’d be Taylor Hall. Taylor Hall, at least again from a culture standpoint - more in the room, not necessarily on the ice – hasn’t been what they hoped he would be.

There are a number of these players that must be getting used to this by now. Maybe the first or second time, but why would they start caring about it now?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by landshark

Also from Dreger today:

Darren Dreger@DarrenDreger No way Eakins, MacTavish or anyone associated with the Oil 18 months ago would have anticipated the holes in their lineup now.


Riiiiight... no one could possibly have foreseen this mess (except everyone NOT in the EDM front office)

18 months ago it was simple math.

Now it's Calculus.

[sharkov]

With the emphasis of hockey smarts in the new NHL, I'm not surprised that hall, Ederle and Schultz would be on the trading block

[TSXCman]

Originally Posted by sharkov

with the emphasis of hockey smarts in the new nhl, i'm not surprised that hall, ederle and shults would be on the trading block

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