Semin would solely be a cap dump from the Canes. Free up Carolina from a bad deal. Bury him on the 4th line, drop him to the AHL, sit him in the press box every game, flip him 50% off to another team, I don't care!!!! But I could put up with Semins shenanigans for half a season in return for a generational talent like Conner McDavid or Jack Echiel.
**Bonus** Semin is a 40+ point guy on a crappy team. If Hartley and crew could get him set right with his attitude, then we now have a 2nd/3rd liner RW
Yeah I totally get where you are coming from. I just REALLY hate Semin. There are very few players I can't stand and he is on the top of the list!!
I guess you could do that, then put him in the AHL, trade him or buy him out. That would be worth a top 3 pick in the draft. If he was on the team, I would worry his entitled attitude would poison the room or rub off on other players. A generational player might be worth a year of his shenanigans. But man, I would have a tough time with him in our beloved Flames jersey. It just feels dirty! Haha
I'm not sure Wotherspoon's future is higher than a number 4-5 D anyway....so why not bring him up. He certainly isn't a top 3 D man from what I've seen/heard.
As was said over and over about Giordano and Brodie.
Develop them properly and then see what you get. Rushing them because you think their upside is limited is the definition of poor development.
I'm not sure Wotherspoon's future is higher than a number 4-5 D anyway....so why not bring him up. He certainly isn't a top 3 D man from what I've seen/heard.
Wortherspoon has developed faster than Brodie did at the same age. To say he is a 4-5 max is selling him short.
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Wortherspoon has developed faster than Brodie did at the same age. To say he is a 4-5 max is selling him short.
I'm not sure about that. Brodie at the same age beat out Sarich and Staois who both had big contracts at the start of the season didn't he? Brodie always hide a higher upside than Wotherspoon
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I'm not sure about that. Brodie at the same age beat out Sarich and Staois who both had big contracts at the start of the season didn't he? Brodie always hide a higher upside than Wotherspoon
I think he started in Abbotsford and then was called up with injuries and never looked back at the same age (21 year old season).
Brodie was more offensive in their 20 year old season in the AHL though, while you could argue Wotherspoon is better defensively at the same age.
Brodie: GP: 68 P: 34
Wotherspoon: GP: 48 P: 9
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When suggestions like this come out, I know people think they are suggesting long term rebuild thinking solutions, but they often aren't. Don't even think of calling up Wotherspoon if you are the Flames until you think his development is best served playing 3rd pairing minutes on the big club versus more on the farm.
The 3rd pairing currently get about 14 minutes a game, it's not like playing on the 4th forward line and only getting 7 minutes of game time. The Flames should bring him up imo.
I'm not sure about that. Brodie at the same age beat out Sarich and Staois who both had big contracts at the start of the season didn't he? Brodie always hide a higher upside than Wotherspoon
Brodie made the team out of camp but was sent down right away. Wortherspoon got in 14 games last year and looked good until a shoulder injury hurt him. He doesn't have the offensive skill like Brodie but appears to be a steady stay at home guy. I think he has the ability to be a top shutdown Dman when he hits his prime
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I hope the Flames are actively trying to get Yandle from the Coyotes. Anything to push out Smid, Diaz and Engelland. I cringe whenever they are on the ice, because you know a goal can easily happen.
I think we should either:
A) bring up Wotherspoon and Seiloff (don't know why I confused the players names before). Then send down or trade Engelland or Diaz and Smid.
B) trade for Yandle. Maybe Baertschi, Stajan and Reinhart for Yandle. I think that's fair.
C) actively try for ANY other decent defensemen. Pittsburgh, Chicago, Boston, Toronto, Buffalo and Arizona seem like they would be good trading partners in their current situation.
The D depth is our Achilles heel right now, then RW depth. I just hope in making any trades they don't lose sight of the future. The plan for rebuilding should remain the same. But we do need to do something about our 5/6 defensive pairing.
I am pretty sure that your deals, depending on what we acquired in your "trade for ANY other defenceman" would put us below the salary floor. Yandle helps in that regard, but he is a UFA after next season. Not sure that would fit the 'long term' aspect.
I'm not sure Wotherspoon's future is higher than a number 4-5 D anyway....so why not bring him up. He certainly isn't a top 3 D man from what I've seen/heard.
I could definitely see Wotherspoon becoming a very good second pairing defender in the mold of a Dennis Seidenberg for example.
In addition to playing a very safe and reliable defensive game he can provide a strong outlet pass out of the zone and definitely has the skating ability to keep up with the NHL pace.
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The 3rd pairing currently get about 14 minutes a game, it's not like playing on the 4th forward line and only getting 7 minutes of game time. The Flames should bring him up imo.
In regards to defense, I feel it's less about playing time, and more about the quality of opponents you face, play with and situations you are put in.
Do we want Wotherspoon playing against NHL guys? Do we want Wotherspoon getting the top notch match ups in the AHL to defend against, or 3rd pairing assignments in the NHL? Do we want to expose Wotherspoon on a road trip to the home coach being able to exploit last change and get match ups against him we'd rather not have. Do we want him getting PP or PK time in the AHL, or riding the pine in those situations in the NHL?
Not really about ice time, about ice quality and level IMO. I have no idea for the record what's right for him at this point, but I trust the Flames to make the call when it is.
I am pretty sure that your deals, depending on what we acquired in your "trade for ANY other defenceman" would put us below the salary floor. Yandle helps in that regard, but he is a UFA after next season. Not sure that would fit the 'long term' aspect.
Well my idea would be to attract Yandle to resign when he becomes a UFA. If it doesn't work, then yes that would hurt the long term development.
The salary floor would be something we would need to watch. To reach the salary floor and move out Smid, Engelland and Diaz it make require a multiplayer deal. There must be a way. Those players aren't helping us. They are too easy to score on when they are on the ice.
The only team that is going to be buying out Semin is Carolina.....he's going nowhere for a few years. No one is going to pay that much dough to that guy except the franchise that was dumb enough to give it to him.
Think about the $$$ involved to pay a player you want nowhere near what they are building right now.
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St Louis has a new young core, Berglund and oshie are not part of that core. They are also a bit pricey for being compliment players on St Louis.
Backlund and glencross for Berglund and oshie.
That trade would be just fantastic no have wondered if the Flames could do something around Oshie and Sven? The Blues have Rattienwho had great chemistry with Sven in he and likely scouted him a lot. Oshie adds size to the top 6 and could be a good fit for the next 5 years so longer term.
That trade would be just fantastic no have wondered if the Flames could do something around Oshie and Sven? The Blues have Rattienwho had great chemistry with Sven in he and likely scouted him a lot. Oshie adds size to the top 6 and could be a good fit for the next 5 years so longer term.
