12-04-2014, 10:39 AM
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#2981
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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I think Muta is Jodie the Clown
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12-04-2014, 10:44 AM
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#2982
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Who's Jodie the Clown?
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12-04-2014, 10:47 AM
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#2983
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ice_Weasel
So the city should spend $300-$400 million to develop the area to subsidize condo's for "millionares" and corporations? Sounds ok to me, but a little surprised that this makes sense to you.
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If you want to debate this stuff, you really should take the effort to educate yourself a little more. Read the article. The city will only make the $300-$400 million investment in developing the area if it can eventually make the money back in taxes. The taxes the city would make on 12,000 residential taxpayers and a bunch of office towers is much higher than what they would make on an arena and entertainment district. The low density - and low tax base - of an arena district does not warrant the huge up-front remediation and development expense.
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12-04-2014, 10:50 AM
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#2984
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Muta
I agree with you here Table, we do need a brand new contemporary art gallery facility in the city (along with modernization of almost all of our outdated museum facilities save the Military Museums)... but the Science Centre is no slouch of a facility for art. I worked there part time for over eight years when I was younger, and with some interior modifications and renovations, I am dead sure it can have high quality gallery space and can be a social gathering hub. It's not ideal (compared to having a new facility), but having a historic, architectural-award-winning building is a pretty nice consolation prize (and at very little to no cost)!
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I think it works fine as a place-holder and as a small-scale gallery, but long-term it just doesn't seem to have enough of those big open spaces that a modern gallery needs to hold the really cool large-scale stuff. I guess you could always do a massive renovation, but it doesn't feel like a building you could work with without #######izing the original to the point of irrelevance. In a perfect world, I'd actually love to see the Mewata Armoury retrofitted into a gallery....with some modern additions, it could become a mini Tate Modern. A redone CBE building would be cool too (not unlike that proposal that was floating around).
Short-term, the Science Centre plan is better than nothing I guess...but it just comes across as very unambitious to me. The lack of quality museums and cultural institutions is in my opinion the biggest hole in this city right now, and Id like to see us thing big on this one, as it's one of those "once in a generation or two" type of projects that don't come around often. Not unlike the Central Library.
Anyway, go local hockey team.
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12-04-2014, 10:58 AM
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#2985
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
If you want to debate this stuff, you really should take the effort to educate yourself a little more. Read the article. The city will only make the $300-$400 million investment in developing the area if it can eventually make the money back in taxes. The taxes the city would make on 12,000 residential taxpayers and a bunch of office towers is much higher than what they would make on an arena and entertainment district. The low density - and low tax base - of an arena district does not warrant the huge up-front remediation and development expense.
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I understand that completely...my point is that conceptionally, this is still the city "subsidizing development". They are taking the upfront development risk away from the private sector, in the hope that the investment will increase the tax base. I was just using the west location as an example....it is up to the city and the flames to define where the partnership works best. The point is that it can conceptionally be a "net benefit".
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12-04-2014, 11:07 AM
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#2986
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist
I agree with you but just wanted to mention that we are getting some sort of contemporary art facility in the immediate future. The city has given the old Science Centre to some arts group which is converting it to a gallery/art facility.
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That's outrageous! How DARE the City give away anything, as that is giving away taxpayer dollars!
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12-04-2014, 11:08 AM
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#2987
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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The City still owns the facility.
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12-04-2014, 11:09 AM
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#2988
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
That's outrageous! How DARE the City give away anything, as that is giving away taxpayer dollars!
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Lets just pray that the new owners aren't rich, or there will be hell to pay.
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12-04-2014, 11:18 AM
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#2989
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ice_Weasel
Lets just pray that the new owners aren't rich, or there will be hell to pay.
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"hell to pay"
If that means a Rick Bell editorial and few angry comment posted in the dark corners of the Internet like CP, maybe.
If it requires putting on some clothes and petitioning out in front of city hall, fat chance.
People in this city cant even be bothered to vote. And that is table stakes for civic engagement.
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12-10-2014, 09:23 AM
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#2991
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Franchise Player
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It's gonna be awesome when Ottawa has built two new arenas before the Flames announce anything about one.
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12-10-2014, 09:35 AM
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#2992
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Bunk
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Interesting. You would think that may be a hard sell given Melnyk won't even spend his money on player salary and their current building is almost 20 years old which is on the older side but it's nowhere near as outdated as the Dome. I expect it will get done though if Melnyk pushes hard enough.
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12-10-2014, 09:39 AM
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#2993
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
It's gonna be awesome when Ottawa has built two new arenas before the Flames announce anything about one.
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It's Ottawa. If you think things are moving slow in Calgary, wait until you see the speed of progress in the land of red tape and bureaucracy.
The Canadian Tire Centre will be over 30 years old (and probably change its name another 3 times) before something new gets built.
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12-10-2014, 09:42 AM
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#2994
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by getbak
It's Ottawa. If you think things are moving slow in Calgary, wait until you see the speed of progress in the land of red tape and bureaucracy.
The Canadian Tire Centre will be over 30 years old (and probably change its name another 3 times) before something new gets built.
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How do you explain them getting their football stadium done on time for the RedBlacks when Winnipeg and Hamilton couldn't?
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12-10-2014, 09:44 AM
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#2995
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
How do you explain them getting their football stadium done on time for the RedBlacks when Winnipeg and Hamilton couldn't?
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Because they only built 1/2 a stadium. The typical Ottawa way.
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12-10-2014, 09:45 AM
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#2996
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
How do you explain them getting their football stadium done on time for the RedBlacks when Winnipeg and Hamilton couldn't?
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The stadium was originally supposed to be done in time for the 2010 CFL season.
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12-10-2014, 10:56 AM
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#2997
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
How do you explain them getting their football stadium done on time for the RedBlacks when Winnipeg and Hamilton couldn't?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by getbak
The stadium was originally supposed to be done in time for the 2010 CFL season.
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And again.
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Originally Posted by Tyler
Because they only built 1/2 a stadium. The typical Ottawa way.
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12-10-2014, 12:18 PM
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#2998
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Ottawa has to have the worst located arena in North America right? Or pretty damn close anyways. An obvious warning against even considering building the new arena here outside the city. And why the threat of doing so is an obvious bluff.
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12-10-2014, 12:27 PM
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#2999
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: the middle
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Ottawa has to have the worst located arena in North America right? Or pretty damn close anyways. An obvious warning against even considering building the new arena here outside the city. And why the threat of doing so is an obvious bluff.
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Glendale, AZ and Sunrise, FL would probably give it a run for the money.
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12-10-2014, 12:54 PM
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#3000
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joborule
And again.
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So what? Hamilton built half a stadium and the entire fiasco turned into an embarrassment. Anyone that thinks red tape and bureaucracy are exclusive to Ottawa are out to lunch. If anything it sounds like the city is may be more receptive than Calgary has been to date.
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