Dental decay rampant in Calgary

[ExiledFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I didn't make any claims. I drink the purest water possible and support your right to drink whatever you choose. It's funny how people that are for fluoridation are too lazy to do it themselves, nobody is stopping you.

I'm curious, what's the purest water available?

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Mods, can we start an all encompassing "Look at all the wacky crap these people believe!" thread?

Like one that rolls all the anti-vax, anti-fluoride, astrology, phrenology, psychics, ghosthunting, grapefruit seed extract, apple cider vinegar (or any miracle product), balance bracelets, ion-aligning magnets, etc. etc. etc. etc. garbage into one big mock thread?

I gotta know...what is the claim of apple cider vinegar? It is one of those products that sits in my pantry and I don't know why. If there are miracle uses I want to know!

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by Tiger

I would like to see a comparative study between calgary and edmonton based of fluoride and no fluoride use

Once again, just my personal observation. Moving from Edmonton (late 60's fluoridation) to Calgary (fluoridation starting in 1991) in the early 90's, a look back in the charts of the office I worked at would show more decay in kids from Calgary.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I gotta know...what is the claim of apple cider vinegar? It is one of those products that sits in my pantry and I don't know why. If there are miracle uses I want to know!

Google "ACV" (the totes in-the-know acronym man) and marvel at the crazy.

[Hanni]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I didn't make any claims. I drink the purest water possible and support your right to drink whatever you choose. It's funny how people that are for fluoridation are too lazy to do it themselves, nobody is stopping you.

You're right, I am in a position that I can fluoridate my own water, and families that cannot afford to buy fluoride or proper dental care are just SOL I guess.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by ExiledFlamesFan

I'm curious, what's the purest water available?

I'm guessing homemade using hydrogen and oxygen

[ExiledFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Hanni

You're right, I am in a position that I can fluoridate my own water, and families that cannot afford to buy fluoride or proper dental care are just SOL I guess.

Let them eat cake and let their teeth rot.

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

I'm guessing homemade using hydrogen and oxygen

Damn. I've gotta try some of this home made H2O

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Those of us with allergies to flouride in the water beg to differ about your conclusion.

Puking for an hour and feeling like someone poked your intestines with a hot iron because I drank water with fluoride or had juice mixed with water with fluoride isn't so much fun.

It's not an uncommon allergy either. Had this conversation with my dentist and he said that most people have some allergy to it in some form, with a few having one as fun as I do.

To be fair, shouldn't this have happened all of one time?

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by ExiledFlamesFan

I'm curious, what's the purest water available?

The purest water possible in my circumstances is the reverse osmosis 3 stage filtration from the cnf by my house.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I gotta know...what is the claim of apple cider vinegar? It is one of those products that sits in my pantry and I don't know why. If there are miracle uses I want to know!

Home-made shampoo and trapping fruit flies is all I have ever tried.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by ExiledFlamesFan

I'm curious, what's the purest water available?

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

I'm guessing homemade using hydrogen and oxygen

Originally Posted by AcGold

The purest water possible in my circumstances is the reverse osmosis 3 stage filtration from the cnf by my house.

Nope and nope. Simple reaction I use at home for most of my potable water. I make a bunch once a week and keep it in the fridge nice and cold. (Methane is Nat. gas)



I just fire up the furnace and route the exhaust through a condenser instead of sending it up the stack. Pure H20 comes out the other end and my houseplants love the extra C02. and I get great sleep with the extra carbon monoxide

[troutman]

Ducay rampant in Calgary

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Nope and nope. Simple reaction I use at home for most of my potable water. I make a bunch once a week and keep it in the fridge nice and cold. (Methane is Nat. gas)



I just fire up the furnace and route the exhaust through a condenser instead of sending it up the stack. Pure H20 comes out the other end and my houseplants love the extra C02. and I get great sleep with the extra carbon monoxide

Nice. Do you need a special permit from the city for that type of set up? What do you do in the summer when your not running your furnace?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Nice. Do you need a special permit from the city for that type of set up? What do you do in the summer when your not running your furnace?

No permits required (or I didn't get one at least). In the summer I just run the furnace anyways and then just kick on the A/C for a few hours to counteract the heat that gets created. Perhaps a little inefficient, but for pure water, how can you put a price on that? Plus, this way I know that the water is pure, clean, and has no additives or fluoride that may harm my family or this joke that people seem to think is true. You'd die pretty quick from CO if you vented your furnace inside.

[Ozy_Flame]

A generation of kids grew up in Calgary with flouride in the water - and I have yet to see any one of them (including myself) who have had dental/health problems from fluoride intake. Health Canada, the CDC and Alberta Health Services have all supported continued fluoridation in the water supply - who are we bending over backwards to? Hippies? NIMBY types?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

- who are we bending over backwards to? Hippies? NIMBY types?

[PsYcNeT]

People who think water can retain the memory of things.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by troutman

I can't find the answer - how common are flouride allergies? At what concentration?

I think sometimes people confuse allergies with food sensitivity and intolerance. Allergies, being an actual immune system response, are actually quite rare. For example, if I eat carrots, I get stomach pains and digestion problems but not an immune system response (which are usually things like rash, inflammation of mucus linings, respiratory problems and fever). A lot people with this issue call it a carrot allergy when it really isn't.

Most reputable sources that I looked at suggest that from an immunological point of view, there is no evidence of allergies to fluroide. The evidence about people being sensitive or intolerant of fluoride seems less conclusive.

[Street Pharmacist]

It's virtually impassible to be allergic to an element. Think of it this way: to mount an antibody mediated response, the antigen must fit precisely into the correct antibody's antigen "receptor". This works mostly (almost exclusively) for proteins as they are large enough. Even some small peptides (small protein) are too small. Fitting fluoride into the antibody is like trying to use a sliver instead of a key. It just isn't going to work.
The reason some elements like nickel elicit an immunological response is because they bind to some proteins to firm large complexes. It's actually those complexes you are allergic too. Same goes for penicillin. The penicillin molecule is too small to be an allergen on its own.
The trouble with fluoride becoming an allergen is also that it is superfluous throughout the body (albeit in trace concentrations as calcium fluoride).

[V]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Then add the fluoride to your own water, nobody is stopping you. Go ahead, I'll only rage about freedom of choice. Go nuts with however much fluoride you want, I won't stop you but will take issue when it's forced upon others.

Do you not have the freedom to install an RO unit of your own?