N. Korea missile aimed at area off Hawaii - report

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Wow, where to begin.

* Kind of contradict yourself don't you. Maybe you should clarify what you mean by "Task force" before we go any further.

* You don't test a T2? Really? Then how do you know it works? Everyone tests their weapons. EVERYONE.

* Oooooh, the United States has a ship docked near Japan (I won't even touch the semantic errors, its way too easy), big whoop. What, do they have a big fly swatter, or a component of the money pit that is the missile defense shield. Propably some of them thar highly reliable systems based off of the useless Patriot missile system, right?

* HAARP? Secret? HAARP isn't a secret.

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/
http://www.alaska.net/~logjam/HAARP.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarp
http://www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html

As for weaponizing the ionosphere, I think that has been proven to be fruitless. More health concerns than military concerns.

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcat...d=1&subcatid=3
http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcat...d=1&subcatid=4
http://www.ee.psu.edu/cssl/ferraro.html
http://www.padrak.com/ine/HAARP97.html

Holes in Heaven is a pretty interesting documentary, even if it is sensationalistic at times and the science flawed.

http://www.haarp.com/main.html

Well, you really got me there. A lot of hubris, but nothing to back it up. How "patriotic" of you. Yup, no one is going to touch America, kid. Keep dreaming. Shouldn't the "missile defense shield" shoot something down before you make these statements? There has not been a single successful test to date, so no proof of concept. Oh, I forgot. Countries don't test **** anymore!

Also, I wonder how effective them "missile defense systems" are against subs and launches from 20 miles off shore, or a nuke planted in a cargo container or a suitcase? Yup, no one's going to touch America. No one. Not even 19 guys with box cutters. Or are you ready to admit the government was complicent in that action?

Not trying to sound like a jerk, but aren't you under the belief that the US government had something o do with the terrorist attacks?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Not trying to sound like a jerk, but aren't you under the belief that the US government had something o do with the terrorist attacks?

Yes, which was outlined in the final line of the comments. Or was that too subtle of a jab?

[Azure]

nm.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Yes, which was outlined in the final line of the comments. Or was that too subtle of a jab?

All you said was "are you willing to admit the US was complacent" meaning that they were not prepared for such an event.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

All you said was "are you willing to admit the US was complacent" meaning that they were not prepared for such an event.

He may have meant "complicit"--given what I know about Lanny's feelings on that issue, that's how I interpreted it anyway.

Most of us believe that the US was "complacent"--but only a few think they were "complicit." (and yes, I've been called a smarty-pants before... )

A lot has been said in this thread about what NK's motivations are, and whether they're justified, etc. To me, none of that matters a great deal. It's true that the US has taken a much more belligerent stance toward weaker nations (like Iraq)--and that it would seem to be in NK's interest to show that they are strong.

Nevertheless, their actions are at the very least provocative. Whether it was a technical violation of international law is irrelevant, really. The point of the test was to show the rest of the world that they can build Nukes, and we'd all better sit up and listen to what they want. The problem with that as a strategy is that their leadership is known to be untrustworthy and unstable. Even Bill Clinton has said that Bush should not make the same arrangement with NK that he did--saying something along the lines of "you don't buy the same thing twice."

What NK wants, as I understand it, is bilateral talks with the US--and I guess this is one way to get them, though I doubt it'll work. And even if it does, bilateral talks are useless if they can't be trusted to keep their word. Unfortunately, I don't think this situation can end well. (and no, I'm not predicting nuclear war--just that relations will get worse before they get better)

I'm all about criticizing Bush--I think he's a terrible president. But this is one situation where he probably can't be blamed. There just isn't a right way to deal with someone like Kim-Jong Il.

[C Of Cup]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Wow, where to begin.

* Kind of contradict yourself don't you. Maybe you should clarify what you mean by "Task force" before we go any further.

* You don't test a T2? Really? Then how do you know it works? Everyone tests their weapons. EVERYONE.

* Oooooh, the United States has a ship docked near Japan (I won't even touch the semantic errors, its way too easy), big whoop. What, do they have a big fly swatter, or a component of the money pit that is the missile defense shield. Propably some of them thar highly reliable systems based off of the useless Patriot missile system, right?

* HAARP? Secret? HAARP isn't a secret.

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/
http://www.alaska.net/~logjam/HAARP.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarp
http://www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html

As for weaponizing the ionosphere, I think that has been proven to be fruitless. More health concerns than military concerns.

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcat...d=1&subcatid=3
http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcat...d=1&subcatid=4
http://www.ee.psu.edu/cssl/ferraro.html
http://www.padrak.com/ine/HAARP97.html

Holes in Heaven is a pretty interesting documentary, even if it is sensationalistic at times and the science flawed.

http://www.haarp.com/main.html

Well, you really got me there. A lot of hubris, but nothing to back it up. How "patriotic" of you. Yup, no one is going to touch America, kid. Keep dreaming. Shouldn't the "missile defense shield" shoot something down before you make these statements? There has not been a single successful test to date, so no proof of concept. Oh, I forgot. Countries don't test **** anymore!

Also, I wonder how effective them "missile defense systems" are against subs and launches from 20 miles off shore, or a nuke planted in a cargo container or a suitcase? Yup, no one's going to touch America. No one. Not even 19 guys with box cutters. Or are you ready to admit the government was complicent in that action?

Taks Force meaning for the Drug Units(ATF), The turtles in Prisons, not Army and Marine Task forces. You know like when you watch Cops and you see crack houses get raided by the men in black. In other words, the U.S police task force units are larger than most countries military.

You don't test launch a T2 the way they are testing and in that location or at all. Give me proof you test T2's? never heard it before, ever!

Yup, the most high tech ship in the world ready to shoot down whatever they send up, and their aint sh*t they can do because the Seals will run wild on them.

HAARP is a conspiracy for complete weather control and a laser shooting device, made for Asteroids. Is it true? i don't know, but i wouldn't put it past the U.S considering technology in Area 51 is said to be 100 years ahead of us. Now you can run wild and think the government created hurricane Katrina to kill of the poor black population and aid them no help on purpose in southern America.


The FBI just caught terrorists the other day in NYC trying to blow up the Holland tunnel to flood downtown New York City, and two weeks ago caught more trying to bomb a subway in Manahttan.

Side note: I don't know where you're from, but be careful what you say in public. If you're in the States and talk this way, you would be put in the hospital. How do i know this? cause i've seen it happen on many occasions, so just be careful. Word of advice.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by C Of Cup

Side note: I don't know where you're from, but be careful what you say in public. If you're in the States and talk this way, you would be put in the hospital. How do i know this? cause i've seen it happen on many occasions, so just be careful. Word of advice.

Um.... I thought terrorists "hated us for our freedom." Apparently they hate us for our medieval methods of repressing free speech?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by C Of Cup

The FBI just caught terrorists the other day in NYC trying to blow up the Holland tunnel to flood downtown New York City, and two weeks ago caught more trying to bomb a subway in Manahttan.

That's a little misleading. They arrested a group of which where involved in a supposed plot of what you speak, and most of them weren't in NYC or even in the country. The supposed ringleader for instance, is currently in Beirut. By most accounts, the plot was at least a year from fruition. They didn't catch them TRYING to do anything or anywhere near the tunnel. That was just the focus of the plot.

I agree it's a good thing they got caught, but the way you throw around some of your 'facts' is a little misleading and irresponsible.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by C Of Cup

Taks Force meaning for the Drug Units(ATF), The turtles in Prisons, not Army and Marine Task forces. You know like when you watch Cops and you see crack houses get raided by the men in black. In other words, the U.S police task force units are larger than most countries military.

What are "most nations"? And if this is true, what does it say about or democracy? Now careful what you say, as there are ways to confirm what you are suggesting. Also, what you say is partially true of most countries. Most nations have a police force that is as large or larger than their military. The police is an internal peacekeeping role necessary for the ongoing maintenance of the laws of the land. Most countries view this as a more important role than having a large military. The police being paramilitary have the ability to be mobilized into a civil protection organization in the event of conflict. That is why the majority of officers have some form of military background. I think you better clairfy what you mean.

I would also advise you not to watch COPS. It's a load of B.S. What you see is 100% sanitized and sensationalistic crap. Before filming anything, the local and state have to give explicit written authorization to allow the production company to work with the department. The department then decides where the camera crew gets to operate and who they do their ride-along with. Nothing that could potentially put any intelligence assets at risk is filmed, and the department and state get to delete what ever they wish from the footage. There are laws and statutes that apply, and an agency is not going to risk their accreditation by allowing a TV crew to release information they should not.

You don't test launch a T2 the way they are testing and in that location or at all. Give me proof you test T2's? never heard it before, ever!

Tht's what this whole thread is about. The test of a T2. What, do you think that the US just went and built the minuteman system and then stuffed it into silos all over the midwest? The system was tested extensively. Same with all systems. Oh, and here's some recent tests by the United States. Oh wait, I forgot, NO ONE tests missiles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2566843.stm
http://goliath.ecnext.com/comsite5/b...d=0199-4222769

Here's some examples of other nations NOT testing their missiles.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profil...4126_4339.html
http://www.bu.edu/globalbeat/southasia/CEIP041599.html

And here's a document that even explains the United States testing model.

http://www.fas.org/asmp/library/articles/ftb1995.htm

Yup, NO ONE tests these things.

Yup, the most high tech ship in the world ready to shoot down whatever they send up, and their aint sh*t they can do because the Seals will run wild on

WTF are you talking about? Can you please make your comments a little less cyptic. Are refering to the Aegis system, or something else? What ever it is, the United States has been unable to produce any verifiable results of shooting down missiles. And what do the SEALS have to do with anything? SEALS don't operate missile or anti-missile systems. SEALS are special operations forces used for specific covert operations. They have nothing to do with anything you suggest in this thread.

HAARP is a conspiracy for complete weather control and a laser shooting device, made for Asteroids. Is it true? i don't know, but i wouldn't put it past the U.S considering technology in Area 51 is said to be 100 years ahead of us. Now you can run wild and think the government created hurricane Katrina to kill of the poor black population and aid them no help on purpose in southern America.

What the hell are you nattering on about? Conspiracy theories of secret technology 100 years a head of us? HAARP contrlling the weather and using it to kill poor black people in New Orleans? WTF are you talking about? Holy smokes, I like a good yarn, but take a step back into reality buddy, you've gone off the deep end.

HAARP is designed to heat the ionosphere. The experiments have been to try and stimulate the ionosphere and to eject chunks of it into space as a plasma jet. This proved to be useless and they tried to use it as a way of transmitting huge amounts of data in low frequency bursts, with some success. HAARP is an antenna array, not a laser, so it would be useless for many of the purposes you suggest like missile defense and killing asteroids in space. Man, at least have some idea what you are talking about.

The FBI just caught terrorists the other day in NYC trying to blow up the Holland tunnel to flood downtown New York City, and two weeks ago caught more trying to bomb a subway in Manahttan.

Again, get the facts straight. The suspected terrorists were not captured in New York city. They were not even in the United States. They we in Lebanon and locations NOT released, but they were not in the United States. As well, what is suggested is impossible. Blowing up a tunnel would NOT flood Manhattan. Manhattan island is ABOVE sea level. To flood Manhattan island, terrorists would have to raise sea levels 20 feet or more. Now for that to happen, that would require them melting the ice caps. That ain't going to happen through the actions of a terrorist. As well, blowing up the tunnels under the east river would be very difficult. Those tunnels go through bed rock, and fracturing them to the point of collapse would take the explosive power of a small nuke. If someone had a small nuke, why use it on a tunnel? Why not just do a ground burst?

You know, this whole story reeks of B.S. It doesn't make much sense when you actually think about it. They had me until they said that the purpose was to flood Manhattan. Smells like fear mongering and propaganda. You know, the government relies on the stupidity of people like you to fall for crap like this. They exploit people who are willing to swallow what ever load of crap they float and make mindless drones out of them. Try doing some critical thought before believing everything that is fed through the media.

Side note: I don't know where you're from, but be careful what you say in public. If you're in the States and talk this way, you would be put in the hospital. How do i know this? cause i've seen it happen on many occasions, so just be careful. Word of advice.

Is that a threat? Wow, a real internet tough guy. Funny, but I know lots of people that share my sentiments, and they ARE Americans. Do you put them in the hospital too?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

All you said was "are you willing to admit the US was complacent" meaning that they were not prepared for such an event.

Doh! I meant complicit. Ever think a word, but type another.

Hey, but if we believe their story (no reason to) they were certainly complacent too!

[C Of Cup]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

What are "most nations"? And if this is true, what does it say about or democracy? Now careful what you say, as there are ways to confirm what you are suggesting. Also, what you say is partially true of most countries. Most nations have a police force that is as large or larger than their military. The police is an internal peacekeeping role necessary for the ongoing maintenance of the laws of the land. Most countries view this as a more important role than having a large military. The police being paramilitary have the ability to be mobilized into a civil protection organization in the event of conflict. That is why the majority of officers have some form of military background. I think you better clairfy what you mean.

I would also advise you not to watch COPS. It's a load of B.S. What you see is 100% sanitized and sensationalistic crap. Before filming anything, the local and state have to give explicit written authorization to allow the production company to work with the department. The department then decides where the camera crew gets to operate and who they do their ride-along with. Nothing that could potentially put any intelligence assets at risk is filmed, and the department and state get to delete what ever they wish from the footage. There are laws and statutes that apply, and an agency is not going to risk their accreditation by allowing a TV crew to release information they should not.



Tht's what this whole thread is about. The test of a T2. What, do you think that the US just went and built the minuteman system and then stuffed it into silos all over the midwest? The system was tested extensively. Same with all systems. Oh, and here's some recent tests by the United States. Oh wait, I forgot, NO ONE tests missiles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2566843.stm
http://goliath.ecnext.com/comsite5/b...d=0199-4222769

Here's some examples of other nations NOT testing their missiles.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profil...4126_4339.html
http://www.bu.edu/globalbeat/southasia/CEIP041599.html

And here's a document that even explains the United States testing model.

http://www.fas.org/asmp/library/articles/ftb1995.htm

Yup, NO ONE tests these things.



WTF are you talking about? Can you please make your comments a little less cyptic. Are refering to the Aegis system, or something else? What ever it is, the United States has been unable to produce any verifiable results of shooting down missiles. And what do the SEALS have to do with anything? SEALS don't operate missile or anti-missile systems. SEALS are special operations forces used for specific covert operations. They have nothing to do with anything you suggest in this thread.



What the hell are you nattering on about? Conspiracy theories of secret technology 100 years a head of us? HAARP contrlling the weather and using it to kill poor black people in New Orleans? WTF are you talking about? Holy smokes, I like a good yarn, but take a step back into reality buddy, you've gone off the deep end.

HAARP is designed to heat the ionosphere. The experiments have been to try and stimulate the ionosphere and to eject chunks of it into space as a plasma jet. This proved to be useless and they tried to use it as a way of transmitting huge amounts of data in low frequency bursts, with some success. HAARP is an antenna array, not a laser, so it would be useless for many of the purposes you suggest like missile defense and killing asteroids in space. Man, at least have some idea what you are talking about.



Again, get the facts straight. The suspected terrorists were not captured in New York city. They were not even in the United States. They we in Lebanon and locations NOT released, but they were not in the United States. As well, what is suggested is impossible. Blowing up a tunnel would NOT flood Manhattan. Manhattan island is ABOVE sea level. To flood Manhattan island, terrorists would have to raise sea levels 20 feet or more. Now for that to happen, that would require them melting the ice caps. That ain't going to happen through the actions of a terrorist. As well, blowing up the tunnels under the east river would be very difficult. Those tunnels go through bed rock, and fracturing them to the point of collapse would take the explosive power of a small nuke. If someone had a small nuke, why use it on a tunnel? Why not just do a ground burst?

You know, this whole story reeks of B.S. It doesn't make much sense when you actually think about it. They had me until they said that the purpose was to flood Manhattan. Smells like fear mongering and propaganda. You know, the government relies on the stupidity of people like you to fall for crap like this. They exploit people who are willing to swallow what ever load of crap they float and make mindless drones out of them. Try doing some critical thought before believing everything that is fed through the media.



Is that a threat? Wow, a real internet tough guy. Funny, but I know lots of people that share my sentiments, and they ARE Americans. Do you put them in the hospital too? My boyfriend put me in the hospital after he pounded my butt. Hehehehe

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[calculoso]

wow... a blow up reminicient of Jim Shergill. Wonder how long he's in the Sin Bin?

[JiriHrdina]

^^^He won't be back. There's no room here for that type of junk.

Let's get the discussion back on track now.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

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I don't have the time to sit here and respond to every little speculated thing you talk about and make sure everything i say is worded properly, i have a life.

If you don't have time to back up your bluster, then STFU. Without backing up your statements all you do is make yourself look like the uneducated ******* I, and I suspect others here, think you are.

All your links are nonsense, actually i didn't even click on one of them, ever.

Too bad for you. Are you holding your breath until you turn blue right now, or kicking and screaming until mommy or daddy gives you a treat? When someone provides you a link they are trying to show you the err in your ways. You might be advised to click on them and learn something.

Read this

http://www.global-conspiracies.com/HAARP.htm

Lanny, it's a fu*kin conspiracy, not real life sh*t. Many believe it though.

WTF are you talking about? Of course its real. Now it does nothing what you suggest it does (protects America from in-coming missiles, creates hurricanes that wipe out New Orleans, destroys meteors, etc.), but it does indeed exist and is used for scientific purposes. Sorry, no little green men, or clandestine operations, just a scientific site with a varied list of tests and failures.

I'd love to meet one REAL American who has the same outlook as you, especially one who has relatives fighting in the war.

There's lots of them. You just have to leave the Klan meetings to meet them. If you would hang out in places where people have IQs above 80 you might meet some of them. I know firefighters, police officers, soldiers, etc. who share the same views I do. It's the most American of things to disagree with your government, but still continue to do what is best for your country. As I said, read some Thomas Jefferson some time. The education will do you some good.

And you still didn't mention where you were from, a little ashamed are we?

It's not relevant to the discussion, but is pretty common knowledge around here. Maybe you'll be able to figure it out, there smart guy. I have no idea why I would have anything to be ashamed of? Again, what is your point?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

^^^He won't be back. There's no room here for that type of junk.

Let's get the discussion back on track now.

[Daradon]

Lol I was going to say, I guess that kills that debate...