[PGT] Flames 5 - Coyotes 2 - Hat Trick for Jooris!

[ForeverFlameFan]

With how well Jooris is playing, it certainly gives us a relief on RW and center. 71% on the FO dot last night.

[Roof-Daddy]

This is crazy..

I get excited thinking about the youth, speed, skill and hard working players in our line up.....

Then I realize/remember that Bennett and Poirier are waiting in the wings to make their NHL debuts and both have all the above characteristics in spades.....

If I'm dreaming, nobody better pinch me.

[Neeper]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This is crazy..

I get excited thinking about the youth, speed, skill and hard working players in our line up.....

Then I realize/remember that Bennett and Poirier are waiting in the wings to make their NHL debuts and both have all the above characteristics in spades.....

If I'm dreaming, nobody better pinch me.

This is the exact same thing I keep thinking about!

[Nme-Territory]

Props to all the fans that are sticking with the team through this tough rebuild.

[1stLand]

This team is so fun to watch and the players are so likable, I have gone out and bought a hothouse membership, not evening thinking or caring what season's tickets will end up costing me.

Well worth it.
Would not have done this during the post 2004 Iggy Era.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Advanced stats talk isn't going away. Neither is people constantly whining and crying about it (I'm not including you in that statement, btw). So, at least everybody gets to be annoyed equally.

Here's a fun "advanced stat" though....

On-ice shooting percentage (team sh% when player is on the ice), minimum 10 games played:
1. Nathan Guenin COL 19.54%
2. Johnny Gaudreau CGY 17.45%
3. Joe Colborne CGY 16.33
4. Mark Giordano CGY 15.94
5. TJ Brodie CGY 15.74
6. Josh Jooris CGY 15.46

It's not just the two D making things happen right now. Put Gaudreau or Jooris on the ice, and the Flames are crushing it.

Undrafted Josh Jorris has 8 goals this season. The last five first overall picks are Ekblad (4), MacKinnon (5), Yakupov (3), Nugent-Hopkins (5) and Hall (8).

The starting lineup for your Calgary Flames!

Gaudreau-Jooris-Colborne
Giordano-Brodie

[Rick M.]

Coyote blogger praises the Flames:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/James...otes/200/64504

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I'm a huge believer in advanced statistics, but my belief is wavering for sure.

Two factors:
1) Oilers getting all these high corsi players and then "playing for corsi" leading to team failure.
2) Flames. Just wtf is happening? No stat explains the Flames right now.

Just another unbelievably dominant game (several in the last little while) where we've been out-corsi'ed so hard and yet was so comfortable.

How does belief factor in? It's simply data. There's nothing to believe.

Edit: Unless you are saying that you believe in drawing conclusions on how good teams are, from advanced stats.

[Gaudfather]

From Roger Million Twitter - new name for the Gaudreau, Jooris Hudler line:

Roger Millions @RogMillions · 1h 1 hour ago
This from @mikeFail and @FLAMESnMETAL Line name for Gaudreau, Jooris, Hudler. "Boyz and the Hud" Not bad. Not bad at all.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Coyote blogger praises the Flames:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/James...otes/200/64504

Nor did they take kindly to me referring to Calgary as "the Texas of the north." (But I don't know why, it's the only two places I know where it's socially acceptable to wear Cowboy Hats and listen to Nickleback!)

It is never socially acceptable to listen to Nickleback. Not even in Chad Kroeger's house.

[Resolute 14]

Speaking of advanced stats, hockeystats.ca added a (big, ugly) table that shows head to head Corsi for all players in the game. A neat look at how well one player did individually when on the ice with a specific opponent or teammate...

http://hockeystats.ca/game/2014020369

It helps give an idea of where and how we're getting our heads beat in.

For instance last night, in all situations the Coyotes had 67 shot attempts to our 46. +21 on Corsi.

Consider the Corsi for our defencemen overall:
Brodie was +2
Giordano was -1
Russell -7
Wideman -7
Smid -15
Engelland -16

So our third pair got its ass handed to it. Anyone shocked? Me neither. (Russell and Wideman were the pairing most used on defensive zone draws - both had zone starts of 28%).

The individual stats are fun though.

I thought Hanzal - when he wasn't whining, acting fake tough or boarding Wideman - was the best player on the ice for Arizona. His individual Corsi (all situations) against each of our defencemen:
vs. Engelland: +10
vs. Smid: +8
vs. Wideman: +5
vs. Russell: +5
vs. Gioradno: -3
vs. Brodie: -7

The numbers generally hold for Erat and Gagner. This suggests a couple of conclusions. First, the obvious:
1. Phoenix's top line destroyed our third pairing on defence.
2. Jesus Christ are Gio and Brodie ever good!

The interesting one to me though is that Engellend and Smid largely held their own against everyone else. In general, when they got away from that top line, they weren't a liability. In this case, it helps that the Coyotes are a bad hockey team. Stop their first line and you stop them.

Also, you may be interested to learn that we blocked a crazy number of shots last night. Looks like we were at 26 blocks.

[Phanuthier]

Hanzel didn't board Wideman, Wideman just lost an edge.......not a dirty play

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, our third pairing is too slow and awful at moving the puck up the ice while maintaining possession.

Too bad they are both signed for multiple years still.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TheCommodoreAfro

Dude, love the sentiment but can we not use "Young Guns" anywhere near this pretty awesome team? Gives me PTSD thinking about what it used to be....

Excellent point. Consider "***** ****" a swear word from here on in

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Speaking of advanced stats, hockeystats.ca added a (big, ugly) table that shows head to head Corsi for all players in the game. A neat look at how well one player did individually when on the ice with a specific opponent or teammate...

http://hockeystats.ca/game/2014020369

It helps give an idea of where and how we're getting our heads beat in.

For instance last night, in all situations the Coyotes had 67 shot attempts to our 46. +21 on Corsi.

Consider the Corsi for our defencemen overall:
Brodie was +2
Giordano was -1
Russell -7
Wideman -7
Smid -15
Engelland -16

So our third pair got its ass handed to it. Anyone shocked? Me neither. (Russell and Wideman were the pairing most used on defensive zone draws - both had zone starts of 28%).

The individual stats are fun though.

I thought Hanzal - when he wasn't whining, acting fake tough or boarding Wideman - was the best player on the ice for Arizona. His individual Corsi (all situations) against each of our defencemen:
vs. Engelland: +10
vs. Smid: +8
vs. Wideman: +5
vs. Russell: +5
vs. Gioradno: -3
vs. Brodie: -7

The numbers generally hold for Erat and Gagner. This suggests a couple of conclusions. First, the obvious:
1. Phoenix's top line destroyed our third pairing on defence.
2. Jesus Christ are Gio and Brodie ever good!

The interesting one to me though is that Engellend and Smid largely held their own against everyone else. In general, when they got away from that top line, they weren't a liability. In this case, it helps that the Coyotes are a bad hockey team. Stop their first line and you stop them.

Also, you may be interested to learn that we blocked a crazy number of shots last night. Looks like we were at 26 blocks.

While advanced stats can put a quantifiable number on things, do we really need them to know that the third pairing D on a rebuilding team is going to struggle against any teams top line? I get that they can be fun to look into, but isn't it pretty obvious without the stats?

For advanced stats to be useful(to me, totally my opinion), they need to show me something I don't see by just watching the game. I don't think you would even need to watch the game to know your 5th and 6th slow defensemen will struggle against any teams top line.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The interesting one to me though is that Engellend and Smid largely held their own against everyone else. In general, when they got away from that top line, they weren't a liability.

That goes with my opinion that they're okay for a 3rd pairing. As far as weaknesses go, they're not a huge problem, and our slighty above average GA (11th in league) is an indication of that.

They also seem to get a lot of ice time with the fourth line. If we get some guys back and stay healthier than last month, the increased depth should improve the fourth line, which could help Smid and Engelland.

[Azure]

Still think Wotherspoon is a better option on the 5/6 pairing. Ease him into the NHL.

[GranteedEV]

It's quite the conundrum when the biggest issue for a team projected to be in the Connoe McDavid race is their third D-line pairing, and they have a flurry of tradeable assets to shore it up.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Zevo

While advanced stats can put a quantifiable number on things, do we really need them to know that the third pairing D on a rebuilding team is going to struggle against any teams top line? I get that they can be fun to look into, but isn't it pretty obvious without the stats?

For advanced stats to be useful(to me, totally my opinion), they need to show me something I don't see by just watching the game. I don't think you would even need to watch the game to know your 5th and 6th slow defensemen will struggle against any teams top line.

True enough. And yes, hockey's advanced stats right now largely only quantify what we are already able to observe. But in that respect, I think they carry value in helping to eliminate confirmation bias.

They also can modify an argument. In this case, I would modify from "Smid and Engelland were terrible" to "Smid and Engelland were terrible against the top line." A small change, but a significant one. In part because it could indicate that Hartley did a poor job of line matching against the Coyotes' top line last night if those two were drowning that badly.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Azure

Still think Wotherspoon is a better option on the 5/6 pairing. Ease him into the NHL.

For sure. Move Diaz out. Call up Wotherspoon and make Engelland the #7 guy.