102nd Grey Cup Game : Hamilton TigerCats vs Calgary Stampeders

[nixon45]

Here is my favourite statement from the TSN comments section:

"officials are supposed to call a penalty only if the infraction interferes with the play"



Watching the replay of the Banks return is that much sweeter seeing the Ticats jumping around on the sidelines thinking they had won it all

[JayP]

Originally Posted by CedarMeter

You're right it was a stupid play on his part. He shouldn't have touched him. It didn't effect the play but it was a penalty. Stamps win. Thank god!

The problem is that judging it's effect on the play is very difficult. The Stamp who got blocked in the back most likely doesn't tackle Banks there. However, if he isn't interfered with he can certainly still influence the play. Maybe he gets a hand on Banks and slows him up a bit. Maybe he forces Banks to take a slightly longer route backwards to escape a tackle attempt and Banks turns the corner a split second later

Punt returns are almost always a matter of inches and exact timing. Even if that Stamp isn't going to make the play, he still has a good chance of disrupting things enough to not let Banks turn the corner.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Actually the special team coverage was lights out too since they played Edmonton before the end of the season. They've been limiting the returner to less than their average returns. If the Stamps does not make a lot of changes, I really think they will repeat. Huf should re-signed Brett Jones because he becomes a free agent next season. If anyone is going to leave the OLine, I'll say Federkeil because of his concussion issue. He might also leave in a good note winning championship. Harrison might also leave but we will still have Craighead, Bergman, Wilson, Lavertu and Bryant. They also have a couple of good OLine on practice roster. Drew Tate might want to find a team who can play him. Receivers : Rogers, Price, and Fuller. Joe West might be the odd man out and will ask Huf to trade him somewhere. McDaniel and Parker. Love to see Nik Lewis back but he might retire or ask to be traded. I would add Jabari Arthur as one of the player who might be gone next season. Campeau and Sinopli will be back. They even have another Canadian receiver moving from CIS.

Yes there is no doubt the defense won that game. One of the them should have been the MVP of the game.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by nixon45

"officials are supposed to call a penalty only if the infraction interferes with the play"

Says who? A foul is a foul regardless of the consequences. It's unlucky for the Ti Cats to lose this way but that's how sports are officiated.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Says who? A foul is a foul regardless of the consequences. It's unlucky for the Ti Cats to lose this way but that's how sports are officiated.

That has an impact on PI - if the ball is deemed uncatchable, it's not a penalty.

It isn't applicable to every penalty.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by nixon45

Here is my favourite statement from the TSN comments section:

"officials are supposed to call a penalty only if the infraction interferes with the play"



Watching the replay of the Banks return is that much sweeter seeing the Ticats jumping around on the sidelines thinking they had won it all

Seems to me the Stamps knew it was coming back, and stopped full pursuit.

Later I heard Paredes was supposed to kick it out of bounds, but shanked it.

[You Need a Thneed]

Banks was running up the sideline where his teammates were. Why weren't they yelling at him to run out of bounds? Someone has to have seen the flag, and at that point, you have to save every second on the clock that you can.

[Resolute 14]

Arash Madani was throwing a hissyfit on Twitter last night. Whining up a storm about how awful the referees are. I'm guessing he had money on a Hamilton win.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Banks was running up the sideline where his teammates were. Why weren't they yelling at him to run out of bounds? Someone has to have seen the flag, and at that point, you have to save every second on the clock that you can.

I was at the game yesterday and that block in the back was about 75 feet away from my seat. I was pretty sure that was going to be the call, but I don't know how the players on the field could know (the only other thing it could have been was no yards and if a ref double-clutched on throwing the flag, it's certainly plausible). At any rate, a great game to have witnessed in person with obviously a very happy ending.

[tvp2003]

My thoughts on the GC:

- BLM/MVP - Bo Levi Mitchell was absolutely lights out in the first half. Looks like he was 14-17 for 220 yards -- two of those incompletions happened because receivers slipped IMO. Cooled off in second half -- he had one brilliant clock-eating drive that was offset by a terrible INT and some errant throws in the fourth quarter.

- Defense wins Championships - Hamilton's D almost did it, but in the end it was Calgary's D that prevailed - classic bend but don't break defence that you need in the CFL. 1st and goal on the three and you end up giving up only three points? Game ball right there.

- Rene Punter-es - played admirably in place of an injured Rob Maver (who had a great quote afterwards -- "I was trying to breathe and puke but couldn't do either"). First kick ended up with net zero return; second kick was a bomb. The final punt of the night was not legally returned for a touchdown so let's just leave it at that.

- D-Line Redemption - Bolden obviously had the blocked field goal, but he also played a number of key snaps on a depleted d-line. Great to have him back after what happened at the end of last year and then his injury this year. Similarly, Bishop and Turner also played well -- each had a key stop (including Bishop's 3 yard tackle for loss) on that critical first and goal game-saver. If you recall, both of those guys were thrust into the starting lineup in last year's West Final. Mace added a drive-killing 4th quarter sack and Lemon chipped in with pass deflections as well.

- Hamilton - This is a good, scrappy team. Don't have the big names but they play hard, they're lead by a good young QB, and they have an above average defence. A blue-collar team in a blue-collar city and Collaros is a perfect fit for them IMO. Worthy representatives from the East -- they'll be back.

- Grey Cup - My first ever Grey Cup; was fascinating to see colors represented from all teams in the city, at the parade, and of course at the game. BC Place is a beautiful stadium (compared to McMahon at least) -- great venue for a Grey Cup. Halftime show (Imagine Dragons) was pretty good, except half the stadium had to watch it on the jumbotron. Crowd was very pro-Hamilton (or more accurately, anti-Calgary) -- I don't think the Stamps expected this and it lead to a few procedure penalties to start the game.

P.S. Some people were asking about my sign -- it was actually a pretty large banner that I was hoping to hang over the railing in the upper deck. BC Place has a fancy video board that wraps around the entire railing, and the ushers had a 100% no tolerance policy (you couldn't even put a drink or a program on it. That's why I couldn't hang it -- it wasn't because of any offensive content. There were signs allowed on the lower level railing, and of course the ones you could hold up in the air (which I didn't want to do). Oh well.

[dash_pinched]

Excellent recap tvp, and totally agreed about the pro-Hamilton/anti-Calgary rooting interests in the crowd. There was certainly more noise in the stadium that I don't think Bo Levi and the Stamps offense were expecting when they had the ball. I couldn't help myself waving bye-bye to fans wearing Riders gear as they headed for the exits upon that final Collaros pass fluttering down to the turf.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Arash Madani was throwing a hissyfit on Twitter last night. Whining up a storm about how awful the referees are. I'm guessing he had money on a Hamilton win.

Hmmm I don't know. He doesn't specify which plays he has a problem with. The only one we can guess on is:
"That's just ridiculous. Put the flag away. It's a grown ass man's game. Get ahold of your heroic side judge, Andre Proulx"

I don't know which play this is but I'm guessing it was the 15 yarder on Buddy Jackson which was the worst call of the game.

I know Arash and he has been concerned about officiating for years - and advocates for improvement in that area. I don't think his comments last night were about the kick return - he would know that is a penalty - but there were poor calls most of the night. There was a holding call against the Stamps that was pretty ticky tack as well.

I think it is a leap to assume he's upset about the kick return call. His comments are more broad.

Edit: I just noticed these tweets:
A massive, national, peak audience just saw CFL officiating for what it is.
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Arash Madani @ArashMadani · 14h 14 hours ago

Leave it to Andre Proulx.

That makes it seem like he is referring to the return - which surprises me.

[You Need a Thneed]

^ That Madani Tweet was right at the time of the Buddy Jackson penalty.

Definately not about the punt return.

[Arsenal14]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Hmmm I don't know. He doesn't specify which plays he has a problem with. The only one we can guess on is:
"That's just ridiculous. Put the flag away. It's a grown ass man's game. Get ahold of your heroic side judge, Andre Proulx"

I don't know which play this is but I'm guessing it was the 15 yarder on Buddy Jackson which was the worst call of the game.

Fairly sure that one was the objectionable conduct taunting call on the Stamps as it popped up on my Twitter feed around that time. Definitely before the punt return.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Hmmm I don't know. He doesn't specify which plays he has a problem with. The only one we can guess on is:
"That's just ridiculous. Put the flag away. It's a grown ass man's game. Get ahold of your heroic side judge, Andre Proulx"

I don't know which play this is but I'm guessing it was the 15 yarder on Buddy Jackson which was the worst call of the game.

I know Arash and he has been concerned about officiating for years - and advocates for improvement in that area. I don't think his comments last night were about the kick return - he would know that is a penalty - but there were poor calls most of the night. There was a holding call against the Stamps that was pretty ticky tack as well.

I think it is a leap to assume he's upset about the kick return call. His comments are more broad.

Edit: I just noticed these tweets:
A massive, national, peak audience just saw CFL officiating for what it is.
0 replies 40 retweets 20 favorites






Arash Madani @ArashMadani · 14h 14 hours ago

Leave it to Andre Proulx.

That makes it seem like he is referring to the return - which surprises me.

We all realize that CFL officiating is not the greatest but Arash really needs to be a bit more professional here calling out Proulx. IMO last night was overall well officiated as there weren't any ticky tack PI calls. The worst call of the game was that taunting call on Jackson but I can see how the official may have mistaken him getting caught up with the receiver and trying to untangle himself overtop of him as taunting. Fortunately the Cats had to settle for a FG there so no real harm done. We have seen far, far worse in the CFL over the years and I'm just glad that the outcome of the game was not altered in any way by officiating as we see at times in the regular season.

[tvp2003]

Yes, that Buddy Jackson call was horrible (IMO) and good on Arash for calling the refs on it (although I agree that naming Proulx personally might be little much, especially since he wasn't he one who threw the flag and it would have been unlikely for him to change it after the fact).

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

We all realize that CFL officiating is not the greatest but Arash really needs to be a bit more professional here calling out Proulx. IMO last night was overall well officiated as there weren't any ticky tack PI calls. The worst call of the game was that taunting call on Jackson but I can see how the official may have mistaken him getting caught up with the receiver and trying to untangle himself overtop of him as taunting. Fortunately the Cats had to settle for a FG there so no real harm done. We have seen far, far worse in the CFL over the years and I'm just glad that the outcome of the game was not altered in any way by officiating as we see at times in the regular season.

Agreed - it was one of the better officiated games. There were a couple of calls that I didn't agree with - but overall we've seen far worse.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Agreed - it was one of the better officiated games. There were a couple of calls that I didn't agree with - but overall we've seen far worse.

Buddy Jackson blown call, and a couple of obvious offsides missed. Other than that, a pretty good game by the refs.

Another thing I noticed... Did Hamilton call their timeout after Collaros was sacked with 35 seconds to go? On the next play, the clock didn't start until the snap, when it should have been running on whistle in, unless a time out was called. The CFL play by Play listing doesn't stated when any timeouts happened.

[Arsenal14]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Buddy Jackson blown call, and a couple of obvious offsides missed. Other than that, a pretty good game by the refs.

Another thing I noticed... Did Hamilton call their timeout after Collaros was sacked with 35 seconds to go? On the next play, the clock didn't start until the snap, when it should have been running on whistle in, unless a time out was called. The CFL play by Play listing doesn't stated when any timeouts happened.

The timeout was called on that last possession but I'm not sure which play.

[Barbecue]