Flames to announce plans to announce arena plans in the... future...

[nik-]

I find it odd that some people who don't like Nenshi, partially for his spending practices (which is just odd to me to start with, but whatever) are just all about tax payer handouts to legit billionaires.

It's so weird.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

He is a phony with a smile.
And to those that have umbrage with my previous comment. I didn't say Nenshi should "blow the bank".
But the city will be expected to kick in some portion.
Just like other cities in Canada and the US have and will continue to co exist with their pro franchises.
Huskey Cenovous CNRL or any other O&G company are not comparable. And if you don't think that the Flames and the Stamps are not long time images of Calgary then honestly some of you are a sports fan i definitely can not relate to.
The Dome and McMahon are used for a number of events. Debating that they do not is foolish. But go ahead.
Nenshi has already said he will "does not support any kind of funding to the Flames or Stamps on this subject"

Any future change of his mind is back peddling. Like i said Nenshi will vote against any $ amount the Flames Stamps seek.
You will see

A number of events that make money for the city? I suspect those revenues would be for the account of the flames

[firecenter]

Everytime I see this photo it just screams Stampeders Stadium to me. I believe at one point, the profile mentioned CFL or Calgary, and what with the foothills/mountains in the background, CFL photos for the external skin on the other found within the link, its just to obvious. Not to mention the capacity, which fits virtually no football league in the USA. At the bottom of the profile, it mentions the study also cost estimated a full roof option, which we hear is the preferred option by KK....

http://www.ceiarchitecture.com/proje...stadium-study/

[firecenter]

^^ to add, the obvious missing ingredient in the study is the arena. You have Murray Edwards discussing the landmark arena in the paper, but makes no mention of the stadium. Hard to know what to believe.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by firecenter

^^ to add, the obvious missing ingredient in the study is the arena. You have Murray Edwards discussing the landmark arena in the paper, but makes no mention of the stadium. Hard to know what to believe.

“We’ve been looking at options for both new buildings and new sites."

Murray Edwards from the herald article already linked to this thread
Could b taken either way, but I think Ken King has confirmed they are looking at options for all of the teams including the stamps.

[firecenter]

Originally Posted by #-3

“We’ve been looking at options for both new buildings and new sites."

Murray Edwards from the herald article already linked to this thread
Could b taken either way, but I think Ken King has confirmed they are looking at options for all of the teams including the stamps.

Yup, missed that part.

[Reggie Dunlop]

nv

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

It is hardly the same thing are they the mayor or Alderman that have a vote. That can control the outcome no they are not.
Maybe people.should remind themselves the funding that was kicked in to build the Dome it came from the Flames, Provincial and Civic Government.
Nenshi has already stated he is opposed to "any" funding.

The Flames contributed nothing to the financing of the construction of Saddledome.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by cal_guy

The Flames contributed nothing to the financing of the construction of Saddledome.

And neither did the city. The Flames did pay to renovate the Dome though, so I think they may have put in more than the city did overall.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

And neither did the city. The Flames did pay to renovate the Dome though, so I think they may have put in more than the city did overall.

I believe the City paid a third ($31.5m) of its original cost. Also paid for a small portion of its reno in 1994.

Calgary taxpayers subsidize its operations out of the 1994/5 deal - property assessment is set at $80m. It does not pay municipal property tax. It pays business tax and education property tax to the Province.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I believe the City paid a third ($31.5m) of its original cost. Also paid for a small portion of its reno in 1994.

Calgary taxpayers subsidize its operations out of the 1994/5 deal - property assessment is set at $80m. It does not pay municipal property tax. It pays business tax and education property tax to the Province.

Nope, the Feds and Provincial governments paid the full $110M construction costs. The city signed over the operations of the Dome to the Flames when the team paid for the renovations but kept the parking rights and a small rental fee from the team plus the taxes you noted above.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by firecenter

Everytime I see this photo it just screams Stampeders Stadium to me. I believe at one point, the profile mentioned CFL or Calgary, and what with the foothills/mountains in the background, CFL photos for the external skin on the other found within the link, its just to obvious. Not to mention the capacity, which fits virtually no football league in the USA. At the bottom of the profile, it mentions the study also cost estimated a full roof option, which we hear is the preferred option by KK....

http://www.ceiarchitecture.com/proje...stadium-study/

Looking at their site, CEI also did work on WinSport, so they already have a footing in sports and recreation complexes in Calgary. As WinSport has been so successful, I'm sure they would be looked at for future designs in Calgary.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Nope, the Feds and Provincial governments paid the full $110M construction costs. The city signed over the operations of the Dome to the Flames when the team paid for the renovations but kept the parking rights and a small rental fee from the team plus the taxes you noted above.

I seem to find conflicting information about this. Is there a good source somewhere?

[Julio]

Interesting story on the history of the Dome here: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...a-39821fa3f0f9

"Airdrie was pitched and rejected as a new arena site. The old Firestone plant at Memorial Drive and Deerfoot Trail, owned by a Bavarian land developer, was also considered. Fort Calgary, the city's most important historical site, was considered and rejected, as was a site at Nose Creek, north of the zoo.The search was narrowed to three spots -- the Stampede grounds, a west downtown location at 14th Street and Bow Trail and another near the East Village. Although a consultant recommended the west downtown site as the least disruptive to surrounding communities, the Stampede was selected because the land was available and the clock was ticking."

And for those who wonder why the rood can't hold the weight for some large stage shows:

""Think of it as a giant tennis racket, a grid of cables, and on this net you drop these concrete panels," says Graham"

[Julio]

Originally Posted by firecenter

Everytime I see this photo it just screams Stampeders Stadium to me. I believe at one point, the profile mentioned CFL or Calgary, and what with the foothills/mountains in the background, CFL photos for the external skin on the other found within the link, its just to obvious. Not to mention the capacity, which fits virtually no football league in the USA. At the bottom of the profile, it mentions the study also cost estimated a full roof option, which we hear is the preferred option by KK....

http://www.ceiarchitecture.com/proje...stadium-study/

If you look at the other picture at that site, it shows a picture of a Stampeder in home reds...that might point things a certain way too...

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Julio

If you look at the other picture at that site, it shows a picture of a Stampeder in home reds...that might point things a certain way too...

the fact it was slated for completion in 2010 makes me think there is a better chance it was for Winnipeg or Ottawa

[Julio]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Nope, the Feds and Provincial governments paid the full $110M construction costs. The city signed over the operations of the Dome to the Flames when the team paid for the renovations but kept the parking rights and a small rental fee from the team plus the taxes you noted above.

Originally Posted by Bunk

I seem to find conflicting information about this. Is there a good source somewhere?

From page 168 of the Official Olympic report, accessible here: http://library.la84.org/6oic/Officia...orw1988pt1.pdf

Funding came from the three levels of government and OCO '88...city and province 1/3 each, feds and OCO combined for the third 1/3.

[Enoch Root]

If there is no civic value to sports franchises, why is Nenchi holding up the Grey Cup(s)?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by firecenter

Everytime I see this photo it just screams Stampeders Stadium to me. I believe at one point, the profile mentioned CFL or Calgary, and what with the foothills/mountains in the background, CFL photos for the external skin on the other found within the link, its just to obvious. Not to mention the capacity, which fits virtually no football league in the USA. At the bottom of the profile, it mentions the study also cost estimated a full roof option, which we hear is the preferred option by KK....

http://www.ceiarchitecture.com/proje...stadium-study/

How is there still parking available in that parking lot?

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If there is no civic value to sports franchises, why is Nenchi holding up the Grey Cup(s)?

You're assembling a mighty straw man - nobody is claiming there isn't civic value to a major league sports franchise, the question is if that "civic value" is worth tens or hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, especially when there is little or no chance of that "civic value" disappearing without it.

Do you think the Flames will relocate if they don't get a new arena? If not, what exactly is the down-side of not subsidizing that arena? And not nebulous drawbacks like "not having a world-class facility" or "inability for the team to access new sources of revenue" that, frankly, shouldn't matter to the City when there are plenty of concrete problems that their money should be spent on first.

Speculate for me - what do you think will happen if the City flat-out refuses to give the Flames anything other than the requisite permits and redesign of the roads nearby? Mass revolts in the streets? Children going without soup for lunch? Giant alien motherships in the sky? Or, might the Flames be forced to finance the arena WITH BONDS ON A 25 YEAR TERM?!?!? The horror!