[Rumour] Dreger: Flames very much in the market for trades

[Locke]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Fair point. BUT what if you can get him working again?

Players in the past have been kick started by a change of scenery. We need more high end skill and size down the right side, that is natural to the right side. You're not going to be in the Flames' current position to pick up a player that can be that everyday. I just think it's worth considering.

And depends on how much the team will drop on bridge contracts for Monahan and Gaudreau, and a Gio extension a little down the road (still think he'll take a discount), but I think there's room there still. We're severely underspending at the moment.

What if? $7M a year for 3 years is a considerable problem to have. As I said previously, if the Calgary Flames take a flyer on him he'd better be coming with a 1st round pick or a player with considerable potential and low salary.

A $7M/Year reclamation project has to come with some benefits.

And no, I dont believe the third time is the charm. Semin isnt a kid anymore, what you see is what you get and if I want to see someone play bongos I can give change out to guys on 8th ave who really need it.

Originally Posted by shutout

PETA might have issues with this.

People Eating Tasty Animals would probably tell you that any good hunter eats what he kills.

But puppies are pretty chewy and gamey.

Or....so I've been told...yeah. I dont know that for sure. At all.

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Alright then, let's just keep rolling with undersized, converted RWs.

If we really are on the verge of playoffs, I'm sure we'll fare just fine against the big pacific teams over a 7 game series..

It's a suggestion for a possibility at reward. I'm not frothing at the mouth over the prospect of grabbing him. But fact is this team needs more size WITH skill.

This isnt the year that the Flames win it all. They dont need to roll the dice on Semin. Besides, its not like hes been lights-out awesome in Carolina.

I dont think we'd get what you think we would.

Semin reminds me a lot of Taylor Hall, he scores 'Marshmallow Points.' They're there, they exist, but there isnt a lot of substance to go with them. They arent important.

And lately he hasnt even been doing that.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Alright then, let's just keep rolling with undersized, converted RWs.

If we really are on the verge of playoffs, I'm sure we'll fare just fine against the big pacific teams over a 7 game series..

It's a suggestion for a possibility at reward. I'm not frothing at the mouth over the prospect of grabbing him. But fact is this team needs more size WITH skill.

"Size with skill"

That should be in the thank you / best GM ever - Jay Feaster thread.

At this point we didn't rebuild for a 2-3 year window of getting into the playoffs.
We probably shouldn't get any help outside of D, let's see if we get in, how they match up. We shouldn't even be having this chat, it's great.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

If we can get this year's first rounder from Carolina we absolutely take Semin.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

If we can get this year's first rounder from Carolina we absolutely take Semin.

As per my previous posts, we dont take Semin without it.

[sureLoss]

Highly doubtful Carolina trades their 1st when they are in the running to get one of McDavid, Eichel or Hanifin.

Just a pipe dream to think they will miss out on one of those to get rid of Semin.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Highly doubtful Carolina trades their 1st when they are in the running to get one of McDavid, Eichel or Hanifin.

Just a pipe dream to think they will miss out on one of those to get rid of Semin.

Of course. Just like Staal and Ward, they're going to have to suck it up and swallow Semin's..............contract.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Regarding Stajan: sure, you see if other teams might be interested, but unless somebody was willing to offer a decent enough package then it makes more sense to keep him around. Even if other, younger players have surpassed him he's useful as a depth guy, and it's better to have depth than trade it away just for the sake of it.

His value to the team probably outweighs his value on the trade market. As long as that is the case he will remain a Flame. That applies to most of the trade-bait suggestions that get thrown around here.

would you take a bottom pairing dman for stajan? I know I would

I only mention stajan because he's the first clear veteran odd man out.he can slot into most teams 3-4 c with no problem and can play top 6 minutes in a pinch and be responsible

I personally don't think we should do anything, to be honest. if I was the gm and looking to make a move though, the team certainly hasn't missed stajan very much on the ice and they need more depth at d and on the right side

[Locke]

Originally Posted by stone hands

would you take a bottom pairing dman for stajan? I know I would

I only mention stajan because he's the first clear veteran odd man out.he can slot into most teams 3-4 c with no problem and can play top 6 minutes in a pinch and be responsible

I personally don't think we should do anything, to be honest. if I was the gm and looking to make a move though, the team certainly hasn't missed stajan very much on the ice and they need more depth at d and on the right side

No. Not a chance. Especially because we dont need that. Bottom pairing defencemen may as well grow on trees. Except Anders Eriksson.

Stajan brings so much more to this team than what you see on the ice. He's one of the guys that are going to be playing more of a peripheral role as time goes on but provide a lot of the culture that we are currently enjoying.

I was and have been a big critic of Matt Stajan, but I'm convinced hes one of the ones thats here to stay for the long haul and that this team really needs him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

We've been hearing this same #### for years, but no one has coughed up much value to dump a big salary. This is the NHL equivalency of hunting Bigfoot. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by New Era

We've been hearing this same #### for years, but no one has coughed up much value to dump a big salary. This is the NHL equivalency of hunting Bigfoot. I'll believe it when I see it.

You seem to be taking this very personally Why you got to be so mad, is only game

[Flash Walken]

If Calgary traded for Semin and bought him out at the end of this season, they would have a 2.33 million dollar cap hit for the next 7 years.

If they traded for him and bought him out at the end of NEXT year, they'd have a 2.33 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 years.

That's a tough pill to swallow (LOL!, SEMIN!) buuuuuuuuut it might be a steep enough pill for Carolina that it warrants moving a 1st rounder.

Conceivably, Carolina has 2-3 deals to make this year, for Ward, Semin and E.Staal. E.Staal might not happen but he'd garner a huge return, Ward and Semin probably have to happen but will be very costly from Carolina's perspective.

Something has to give there, though, with those three players.

If Carolina needs to move a 1st rounder to get rid of Semin, maybe they move Staal to get one back.

Semin and Carolina's 1st to Calgary

Staal for Edmonton's 1st and Eberle.

Just spitballin'.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If Calgary traded for Semin and bought him out at the end of this season, they would have a 2.33 million dollar cap hit for the next 7 years.

If they traded for him and bought him out at the end of NEXT year, they'd have a 2.33 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 years.

That's a tough pill to swallow (LOL!, SEMIN!) buuuuuuuuut it might be a steep enough pill for Carolina that it warrants moving a 1st rounder.

Conceivably, Carolina has 2-3 deals to make this year, for Ward, Semin and E.Staal. E.Staal might not happen but he'd garner a huge return, Ward and Semin probably have to happen but will be very costly from Carolina's perspective.

Something has to give there, though, with those three players.

If Carolina needs to move a 1st rounder to get rid of Semin, maybe they move Staal to get one back.

Semin and Carolina's 1st to Calgary

Staal for Edmonton's 1st and Eberle.

Just spitballin'.

While you're not insane, and I appreciate a good Semin joke as much as the next guy....

Short of a garbage-truck full of rohypnol, Eric Staal will never ever waive his NTC for the Edmonton Oilers.

Ever.

And I mean a full garbage truck, not half-full, but packed to the brim.

Evar.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Locke

While you're not insane, and I appreciate a good Semin joke as much as the next guy....

Short of a garbage-truck full of rohypnol, Eric Staal will never ever waive his NTC for the Edmonton Oilers.

Ever.

And I mean a full garbage truck, not half-full, but packed to the brim.

Evar.

Well he is from Thunder Bay............similar quality of city, so you never know

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I know this is dreger but Eklund has CGY and CAR talking about a top six forward.....

Raise the red alert, Semin could come to CGY. Top line RW when he's into it. Useless plug when he doesn't care. Can Hartley get Semin to chomp on the bit and play like the Star he can be when he tries?

I find that a more interesting question. Because if you can wake Semin up, he's scary good.

EDIT: And if he can play inspired hockey and score like a champ, his salary is worth every penny.

Hell no. Semin is the antithesis of what the Flames are trying to build. Lazy, entitled and huge price tag. Makes no sense unless what comes with Semin is huge and the Flames can dump Semin on someone else, or buy him out.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Well he is from Thunder Bay............similar quality of city, so you never know

Hes getting $8.25M a year. And whether he cashes his cheques in Raleigh or Edmonton is entirely up to him.

I know which one I'd choose. Dont you?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

While you're not insane, and I appreciate a good Semin joke as much as the next guy....

Short of a garbage-truck full of rohypnol, Eric Staal will never ever waive his NTC for the Edmonton Oilers.

Ever.

And I mean a full garbage truck, not half-full, but packed to the brim.

Evar.

I agree with you.

There's one thing though that might make it worth it for Staal.

He's currently the 11th highest taxed player in the NHL.

Now, as I understand it, you're a numbers guy.

What would be the tax rate on 9.5 million in Alberta?

By my rudimentary and incomplete guesstimates, a trade to Edmonton from Carolina could net Eric Staal an extra 2 - 4 million dollars on his existing contract.

That's a bit of incentive to at least consider it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I agree with you.

There's one thing though that might make it worth it for Staal.

He's currently the 11th highest taxed player in the NHL.

Now, as I understand it, you're a numbers guy.

What would be the tax rate on 9.5 million in Alberta?

By my rudimentary and incomplete guesstimates, a trade to Edmonton from Carolina could net Eric Staal an extra 2 - 4 million dollars on his existing contract.

That's a bit of incentive to at least consider it.

Haha! You know me too well!

However, consider this:

Eric Stall, as of capgeek, has career earnings of $63,932,400.

Even if his tax savings on this contract was $4M, I'd wager that hed sacrifice 6% of his total career earnings to not go to Edmonton.

You have a good point that theres a reason for him to consider it, I just dont think that the tax savings is compelling enough.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

Haha! You know me too well!

However, consider this:

Eric Stall, as of capgeek, has career earnings of $63,932,400.

Even if his tax savings on this contract was $4M, I'd wager that hed sacrifice 6% of his total career earnings to not go to Edmonton.

You have a good point that theres a reason for him to consider it, I just dont think that the tax savings is compelling enough.

I thought you were a numbers guy

That's Gross earnings. As we can see from his net take home, it's probably looking at 30-45 percent of that number, or thereabouts

Not that I'm trying to sell this idea too hard because I don't think it's likely to happen, but, I think it's serious incentive.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I thought you were a numbers guy

That's Gross earnings. As we can see from his net take home, it's probably looking at 30-45 percent of that number, or thereabouts

Not that I'm trying to sell this idea too hard because I don't think it's likely to happen, but, I think it's serious incentive.

Oh, I understand but I'm not going to go through Staal's tax returns to get the real numbers. Double it then and call it 12% of career earnings. I still sincerely doubt he would do it.

Why? Divorce costs more.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh, I understand but I'm not going to go through Staal's tax returns to get the real numbers. Double it then and call it 12% of career earnings. I still sincerely doubt he would do it.

Why? Divorce costs more.

When dealing with potential trades to edmonton, the bolded is probably the most important point you could've made