Behind the B - Tyler Seguin

[manwiches]

http://www.defendingbigd.com/2013/9/...eriksson-trade

Interesting video.

To me it sounds like Boston is trying to justify their trade, as Seguin is doing quite well lately.

I don't think it's the classiest thing to be showing conversations about players like that. It should remain behind closed doors in my opinion.

Thoughts and discussion.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I do get what you are saying, but you also can't do these cool all access shows, behind the scene's type things and then hold back on the really good content the fans want to see.

If you are going to do a show, you have to do it right and maybe show some of that, otherwise it's a waste. And IMO, these guys are paid well enough that it should just be part of the job because the Fans love that kind of behind the scenes access.

[Street Pharmacist]

This was released ages ago, so I don't think the bruins are spinning anything here

[getbak]

When this came out, he hadn't played a game for the Stars yet.

[cKy]

I just jumped into a time machine. In that series they are pretty blunt about all their players.

What do you want? A behind the scenes look into a team without any behind the scenes information?

[Erick Estrada]

There simply isn't a positive spin you can put on the trade as they haven't won a cup since the deal and they are starting to regress. That team is getting close to the window of their prime closing and Seguin would have represented a solid transition of franchise players and they simply miscalculated their overall organizational depth as they could use a player of his finishing abilities now.

[t0rrent98]

Iggy cheats while doing benches :P.

[Erick Estrada]

What's really puzzling about the statement below is that they critique that in his game but then were fine about receiving back Loui Eriksson who is the very definition of "not a physical player that relies on his skill".

Bradley: He's not a physical player. He relies on all on his skill.

What we have seen with the Bruins and Penguins isn't much different than what happened in Vancouver although to a lesser degree in that once they get to the top of the league critical mistakes have been made that has added flaws to what were once sure fire cup contenders. It just goes to show that it takes a lot of time and work to build a cup contender but only a few bad moves to easily undo all those years of work.

[Itse]

I really don't see the problem. IMO they could be more open. The off-ice stuff is only hinted at, and the on-ice stuff is all very carefully put. I'm sure pretty much all the really interesting stuff was left on the cutting room floor (so to speak).

[CalgaryFan1988]

So, essentially they picked Iginla over Seguin thinking it would push them over the edge and win a cup. Really don't think Iginla disappointed, the return for Seguin is where they missed IMO.

[C-ero]

How come we never get these cool behind the scenes videos?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There simply isn't a positive spin you can put on the trade as they haven't won a cup since the deal and they are starting to regress. That team is getting close to the window of their prime closing and Seguin would have represented a solid transition of franchise players and they simply miscalculated their overall organizational depth as they could use a player of his finishing abilities now.

The Bruins are built around a culture and a way of playing. Having a guy like Seguin as the centrepiece of the team does not fit that culture. And Seguin is piling up the points, but I don't see the Stars as anything close to a contender. The guy still doesn't know how to play two-way hockey.

The reason the Bruins are declining is because Chara is getting old. The return for the Seguin trade only looks bad because Eriksson, who had been remarkably healthy and consistent in his tenure with the Stars, ran into serious injury problems with the Bruins.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What we have seen with the Bruins and Penguins isn't much different than what happened in Vancouver although to a lesser degree in that once they get to the top of the league critical mistakes have been made that has added flaws to what were once sure fire cup contenders. It just goes to show that it takes a lot of time and work to build a cup contender but only a few bad moves to easily undo all those years of work.

The problem is that managing the cap with an elite team is extremely difficult. And to some extent, you have to go for it when you have that window of opportunity, even if it means decline after the window closes. The teams that have managed to sustain elite caliber play for multiple seasons (the Hawks and Kings) are the exception.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

^^^^^

Agreed. Very easy to say the top teams make a lot of critical mistakes, but as you say, it seems in a cap system close to impossible to develop a club where you can manage to not see a decline after you get to true elite status. To take advantage of the window you have and manage the cap, sacrifices need to be made or you may find you won't be able to take a real shot.

A well managed club takes a shot for the handful of years when they peak, and also manages to make the inevitable decline as short as possible.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Bruins are built around a culture and a way of playing. Having a guy like Seguin as the centrepiece of the team does not fit that culture. And Seguin is piling up the points, but I don't see the Stars as anything close to a contender. The guy still doesn't know how to play two-way hockey.

The reason the Bruins are declining is because Chara is getting old. The return for the Seguin trade only looks bad because Eriksson, who had been remarkably healthy and consistent in his tenure with the Stars, ran into serious injury problems with the Bruins.



The problem is that managing the cap with an elite team is extremely difficult. And to some extent, you have to go for it when you have that window of opportunity, even if it means decline after the window closes. The teams that have managed to sustain elite caliber play for multiple seasons (the Hawks and Kings) are the exception.

Bruins haven't won a cup since that trade and making it basically stated their run ends when Chara (and to a lesser extent Bergeron/Krejci) fade.

They could have had a Red Wings like run going from Chara/Bergeron/Krejci to Seguin/Krug/Hamilton but they effed it up to keep some kind of locker room vibe.

Considering they won the cup the year Seguin was allegedly the worst behaved player in the world, they seemed to be able to deal with it fine.

[CliffFletcher]

Last I checked, Dallas is 11th in the conference, with the third worst GA in the NHL.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Last I checked, Dallas is 11th in the conference, with the third worst GA in the NHL.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Spezza and Hemsky are much worse defensively than Seguin and Benn. Surprising to see Trevor Daley leading the Stars with a -10 though.

[PeteMoss]

That means nothing to Boston. Call me crazy but I'd rather a 22 year old centre whos NHLs top goal scorer and teach him some defense rather than move him for a three wingers who have less points combined than Seguin (and Morrow who's been traded twice already).

[BigTuna]

Who cares if a kid likes a few drinks. You build based on talent.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

That means nothing to Boston. Call me crazy but I'd rather a 22 year old centre whos NHLs top goal scorer and teach him some defense rather than move him for a three wingers who have less points combined than Seguin (and Morrow who's been traded twice already).

So which one of Bergeron or Krejci would you have moved?

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So which one of Bergeron or Krejci would you have moved?

Bergeron for me. There is this feeling he is such an amazing top centre. the truth is, Seguin is far better.

Krejci has been an amazing playoff performer.