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Old 11-27-2014, 11:50 AM   #661
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This will be a classic he said she said trial. And ultimately, it's is the characters of Ghomensi and his accussers that are on trial here.
More accurately, this will be a he said they said trial. As I posted above, if it had just been only one accuser, then Ghomeshi would be much more likely to win. But because there are multiple women, none of whom know each other, none of whom have anything to gain from making false accusations, and all of whom are describing a very similar pattern of behaviour dating back years, he's got a huge up-hill battle to fight if he thinks the courts will exonerate him.
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More accurately, this will be a he said they said trial. As I posted above, if it had just been only one accuser, then Ghomeshi would be much more likely to win.
Agreed. The difficulty the Crown faces is in that there'll almost be no physical evidence preserved after a decade. Not much details had been leaked but I'm afraid a skilled defense lawyer could make the difference in this case. It's not a slam dunk by any means against Ghomenshi.
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Old 11-27-2014, 03:14 PM   #663
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What is the evidence against him? I presume there must be enough for the CPS to send it for trial.

And is this a judge or jury trial?
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Old 11-27-2014, 03:16 PM   #664
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Agreed. The difficulty the Crown faces is in that there'll almost be no physical evidence preserved after a decade. Not much details had been leaked but I'm afraid a skilled defense lawyer could make the difference in this case. It's not a slam dunk by any means against Ghomenshi.
He submitted a video to CBC of his activities I'm sure that the Crown already has possession of that.
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Old 11-27-2014, 08:43 PM   #665
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I don't know if he submitted the video or just showed them a video. Enough accusers come through, the Crown is forced to lay charges. I hope a search warrant of his house is issued before it's too late.
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Old 11-28-2014, 09:00 AM   #666
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Jian Ghomeshi's other case: the union grievance

While Jian Ghomeshi's criminal case proceeds, he's also got a union grievance against the CBC - but the union doesn't have to back him.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014...grievance.html

“It’s the union that will make decisions with respect to the grievance, not the individual,” Shore said. “So the union at some point could ultimately decide that it won’t pursue the grievance anymore, and they can do that without Ghomeshi consenting. They can unilaterally make that decision.”

In a statement posted online Thursday, CMG’s national president, Carmel Smyth, didn’t name Ghomeshi, but wrote about the grievance process in the light of the “very public airing of a dismissal.”

“In each case, when a member who has been fired asks us to file a grievance, we must be careful to do so in a timely manner, and then we will further investigate the circumstances before making a decision about whether the grievance is valid, supportable, or winnable,” wrote Smyth.
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Old 11-28-2014, 10:14 AM   #667
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The union case could actually be very interesting.
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Old 11-28-2014, 08:01 PM   #668
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Holy cow The Fifth Estate is fascinating tonight. His boss at CBC looks like an idiot.
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Old 11-28-2014, 09:25 PM   #669
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Excellent work by Fifth Estate. Q's executive producer sure looked bad.
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That documentary is stunning. So strange too to see the CBC examine itself.

More women and men come forward:

http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news/...users_say.html

To the Star’s knowledge, there are now 15 women making abuse allegations and two making harassment allegations. Two men the Star has spoken to describe incidents where Ghomeshi fondled their genitals in a public place without consent. The Star has also interviewed two women who, when they were as young as 16, felt that Ghomeshi inappropriately contacted, touched and flirted with them. Neither of them alleges physical or sexual assault, but found his advances unsettling. In one case, the person he made advances on was 16. Ghomeshi was 40 at the time.

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Old 11-29-2014, 08:45 AM   #672
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Is the CBC producer being set up as the fall guy to avoid it going higher or did he really just do nothing then lie about asking everyone about it.

Show seemed a little bit too much pushing an agenda rather than presenting information so you have to be a bit weary of it. A little to much of next on Rock Bottom, Rowdy Roddy Peeper.

For example from the day the executive producer saw the pictures from ghomeshi until they fired him was three days. That seemed pretty reasonable yet they pushed it as a cover up. Same with the whole why didn't you go to the police stuff.

Where the executive producer failed his obligations was not reacting to staff complaints of harassment. This part of what he new when was almost loss in everything they were trying to pin on him.
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I thought the CBC producer was being thrown under the bus. He seemed more or less genuine, but the switching of the close-up shots whenever he was talking, to the wider lens when the interviewer was speaking, gave the effect that he was guilty of hiding something. If anything they should have interviewed more people around Ghomeshi. One man didn't permit the inaction to report - it was the culture that enabled it and that starts from the top. The executive producer wasn't solely at fault. If anything he came across as a reluctant participant because of the pending litigation issues. It was just an okay expose, but never really exposed anything we didn't already read about. Should have put the head of HR in the spotlight or interviewed more everyday employees to hear first hand what the culture is like working there with Jian. That would have been more of an expose.
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Wow, just watched it. I thought beforehand it would be weird to do an investigative report on itself and thought "They're definitely going to have an angle".

But good lord, did they go over the top on that one. The two producers of Q were pushed as the good guys who got caught up in a weird scenario and their only fault was being confused and not being sure what to do, but by golly they did the right thing eventually.

The executive bits started off a little awkward, but by the end it was full on cheese-ball smearing. I actually let out an audible groan when they did the quick cut ins to his face while he was addressing points. Like seriously, that's Simpsons Rock Bottom bad.
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The way the questions were asked and the set up of the interviews was all very obviously a staged show to exonerate some and burry another, while doing the best to keep everyone's faith in the CBC once the fall guy goes.

All the questions and answers were painfully leading and scripted with an end game, but the most telling was the young, good looking Q producer's answer to a question.

They set up the executive producer as the fall guy the entire report, they know public faith in the CBC has been shaken, so they're almost trying to make you, the viewer feel like part of the CBC and feel empathy through this young producer as they ask him;

"Has your faith in the corporation been shaken by the way this was handled?"

" *long sigh, look into camera with his beady eyes...Yes.....yes it has".

Perfect set up for when the executive producer is let go and the public has this "investigative report" in their minds and thinks of how it was just the big bad EP and the rest of CBC was just like the Canadian public, they just felt shaken and wanted their faith restored, and gal darnit, we've done that now!
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I forgot to post this here at the time, but Jesse Brown of Canadaland had an episode discussing this recently. Episode 56 for anyone interested. It's a not particularly insightful interview with a one-time co-worker who witnessed Ghomeshi "humping" a female co-worker. Anyway, for the last 5 minutes of the podcast, Brown talks about how it hit the media. I'd definitely recommend listening to it.

Brown working with the Toronto Star had received information from an alleged victim back in June and decided to investigate. Ghomeshi was aware of their inquiries. Because there was no actual evidence, Brown couldn't publish anything. Then in October, Brown mentioned on Canadaland that he had a shocking story about a well known CBC figure coming up in the future. Ghomeshi freaked and went to CBC and then obviously published his Facebook post.

Except Brown's upcoming story was actually about Terry Milewski. Brown said that it was Ghomeshi going public that allowed everybody to report on it. If he didn't make that Facebook post, the story may never have come out.
This is my favourite part of the whole story. Ghomeshi was so paranoid and watching his back that he inadvertently caused his own downfall.
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You have to wonder how different a situation we'd be in if Ghomeshi didn't post that infamous Facebook manifesto. He had been getting away with sexually assaulting women for years, but his own paranoia was his downfall. That manifesto really was the tipping point and end of his life.
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Old 11-29-2014, 08:04 PM   #678
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Ghomenshi's Facebook manifesto certainly didn't help his defense. But I wouldn't put it pass his high priced legal team to twist it to his advantage. In a trial of characters like this one, I say it's no slam dunk just yet.
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Can anyone explain to me why this creepy tool has a 34 page thread dedicated to him that's still going on? Is he really that important?
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Can anyone explain to me why this creepy tool has a 34 page thread dedicated to him that's still going on? Is he really that important?
You'd have to be living under a rock to not understand why this is as big a story as it is. No offence.
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