[News] NHL suspends Voynov indefinitely after domestic violence arrest. Upd: Voynov charged

[DJones]

Weird how this #### works out sometimes. DA charges him, possibly gets deported and loses job. Him and his wife have to move back to Russia.

Don't really know what the answer is when the victim is better off with everyone just forgetting about the whole. Same with Ray Rice's wife, she's just embarassed and poorer now. Messed up situation.

[landshark]

A crime is a crime. Rumor is that the pictures were horrifying. If the wife says that it's ok, she accepts the apology, that doesn't take away from the fact that a crime has been committed. Might happen to someone else next time.

Can't imagine the NHL is gonna agree to any kind of cap relief for the Kings if felony charges are filed. As a selfish SJ fan, all I can say about the cap situation is, 'YAY!'

[Hyde]

Originally Posted by DJones

Weird how this #### works out sometimes. DA charges him, possibly gets deported and loses job. Him and his wife have to move back to Russia.

Don't really know what the answer is when the victim is better off with everyone just forgetting about the whole. Same with Ray Rice's wife, she's just embarassed and poorer now. Messed up situation.

So if the victim is okay after getting the crap beaten out of her then the DA should have just moved on! There are many reasons why both men and women stay in abusive relationships. No matter that it is a unhealthy relationship. Plus just because they are say they're fine does mean they are, what if she's afraid of what will happen if they decide to leave the relationship. Maybe she doesn’t know what a healthy relationship looks like, perhaps from growing up in an environment where abuse was common, she may not recognize that her relationship is unhealthy.

Regarding either woman you mentioned money could indeed be a issue as both are financially dependent on their abusers.

[sharkov]

Such a shame that a very talented defence man's NHL career could be over.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by sharkov

Such a shame that a very talented defence man's NHL career could be over.

I don't think it's a shame at all. I think it's a fitting punishment for beating your spouse. Sometimes I wish the punishments were more severe for such a heinous and ugly crime.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I don't think it's a shame at all. I think it's a fitting punishment for beating your spouse. Sometimes I wish the punishments were more severe for such a heinous and ugly crime.

I think what he means is that there was so much talent and potential in Voynov, only for him to screw it up.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by sharkov

Such a shame that a very talented defence man's NHL career could be over.

Yeah... if convicted, that would be the shame.

[greentree]

from the LADA office: "During an argument at their Redondo Beach home on Oct. 19, Voynov caused his wife to suffer injuries to her eyebrow, cheek and neck, prosecutors said. The injuries were serious and required medical attention at a local hospital where the defendant was arrested, prosecutors added."
Awful.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think what he means is that there was so much talent and potential in Voynov, only for him to screw it up.

Nobody forced Voynov to beat his spouse. In fact, there's zero reason for it to have happened. None. Zilch. Nada.

That's not "screwing up" as in making a mistake. It's not, "oops I didn't mean for my fist to go through your head". That's someone being an awful POS and he should serve some jail time.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Hyde

So if the victim is okay after getting the crap beaten out of her then the DA should have just moved on! There are many reasons why both men and women stay in abusive relationships. No matter that it is a unhealthy relationship. Plus just because they are say they're fine does mean they are, what if she's afraid of what will happen if they decide to leave the relationship. Maybe she doesn’t know what a healthy relationship looks like, perhaps from growing up in an environment where abuse was common, she may not recognize that her relationship is unhealthy.

Regarding either woman you mentioned money could indeed be a issue as both are financially dependent on their abusers.

Thank you, put it better than I would've. The topic gets me really riled up and it disgusts me to see this mentality that "oh if she's fine with it then so am I"

[Locke]

Originally Posted by saillias

Thank you, put it better than I would've. The topic gets me really riled up and it disgusts me to see this mentality that "oh if she's fine with it then so am I"

Isnt there some stipulation that people cannot consent to being harmed?

[BigNumbers]

Originally Posted by Locke

Isnt there some stipulation that people cannot consent to being harmed?

Under Canadian law there is - no one can consent to physical harm. Usually comes up in case law regarding bar fights, etc (consensual fights) but there is also case law in the domestic dispute arena on consent.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Locke

Isnt there some stipulation that people cannot consent to being harmed?

You can consent to being harmed. Like was said, it's usually the defence when a guy is charged with assault in a bar fight - that there was mutual consent.

But you can't consent where there is an imbalance of power (which is why "consensual" sex between a teacher and student is still sexual assault). You can't consent when the fight turns one sided and you can't think (and therefore consent to continue). And you can't consent after the fact (domestic assault where there's forgiveness or something similar).

[sureLoss]

NHL announces that Kings will get salary cap relief on Voynov, even though he remains suspended indefinitely

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=740398&cmpid=nhl-twt

The National Hockey League announced today that the existing terms of its suspension of Los Angeles Kings' Player Slava Voynov will be continued indefinitely.

However, in light of the uncertain and potentially extended period of time that the legal process may entail, the NHL and NHLPA have agreed to permit the Kings to replace Mr. Voynov’s Salary and Bonuses pursuant to the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury Exception under the terms of the NHL/NHLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

NHL announces that Kings will get salary cap relief on Voynov, even though he remains suspended indefinitely

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=740398&cmpid=nhl-twt

The NHL has handled this situation really well, from a public optics standpoint. Suspend Voynov with pay, give the team no relief in the short term, wait for the investigation to conclude. With the felony charges, they now have something to go on, and since it clearly isn't the Kings' fault, they get the cap relief.

Gary gets too much grief, he's really very good at what he does.

[nik-]

The Kings should have got cap relief right away.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by nik-

The Kings should have got cap relief right away.

Nah - by doing it this way, the NHL sends a message to its clubs that this sort of behavior is absolutely beyond zero tolerance. Voynov already hurt the Kings by being out of the lineup, but his actions also put the team in a position where they were completely incapable of doing anything to offset his loss.

Right move by the NHL. In the long term, nobody loses from this.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Nah - by doing it this way, the NHL sends a message to its clubs that this sort of behavior is absolutely beyond zero tolerance. Voynov already hurt the Kings by being out of the lineup, but his actions also put the team in a position where they were completely incapable of doing anything to offset his loss.

Right move by the NHL. In the long term, nobody loses from this.

Yup, teams will be hesitant to sign players with histories now because of the potential hardship it could put on the team.

[landshark]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Gary gets too much grief, he's really very good at what he does.

I think the fact that he is good at his job is exactly why he gets grief :-)

I can't argue with the NHL's actions in this case...

[Senator Clay Davis]

NBA just suspended a player who plead guilty to misdemeanor domestic violence for 24 games. If Voynov pleads or gets found guilty of a felony, will be interesting to see the suspension length.