[GDT] Flames vs Monsters - Nov 14 @ 5:30pm (MST) & Nov 15 @ 11am (MST)

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Poirier... is there anything he can't do?

Poirier 4 Prime Minister!

[Street Pharmacist]

Honest question. I know it's early returns here, but is Poirier even better than we homers thought he was? How many 19 year olds go over a PPG in their rookie year? Is that at all common?

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Honest question. I know it's early returns here, but is Poirier even better than we homers thought he was? How many 19 year olds go over a PPG in their rookie year? Is that at all common?

He's good, but he's only on professional game #8.

I think we can be optimistic, but I don't want to start the hype when he only has a handful of games as a professional.

[PeteMoss]

Obviously tiny sample - but to compare Filip Forsberg had 34 points in 47 games in the AHL last year at 19.

[Drury18]

Emile takes the 1st Star!

1. ADK - 21 Emile Poirier
2. ADK - 39 Brad Thiessen
3. LE - 31 Calvin Pickard

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Drury18

He's good, but he's only on professional game #8.

I think we can be optimistic, but I don't want to start the hype when he only has a handful of games as a professional.

Agree wholeheartedly, but what gets me is not the points, it's the play. He looks like a PPG player out there. Back to the question though, I can't imagine a PPG is common for an ahl rookie

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Honest question. I know it's early returns here, but is Poirier even better than we homers thought he was? How many 19 year olds go over a PPG in their rookie year? Is that at all common?

I think Poirier was sold to the organization through the draft as a complete player with hands and speed. So if he keeps this pace up, then I think the expectations of the fans will be met, but not exceeded. I'd say the expectations are pretty frickin' high for 1st round draft picks in Calgary.

[mile]

Another good thing is that Poirier has yet to take a single penalty so far, something he's taken a lot of in junior.

I think he has top line potential.

[thymebalm]

There are about 7 AHL rookies producing ~1ppg right now that have played over 10 games. It's so early in the year that there is still a lot of noise in the stats world.

Last season Ryan Strome had 49 points in 37 games as rookie.

[Drury18]

There's actually a couple of guys currently going at a PPG average in the AHL right now.

http://theahl.com/stats/statdisplay....id=-1&confId=0

[thymebalm]

Every season it looks like there are a few rookies that produce at that kind of a rate. It looks like that those that do all get called up before they can complete a full rookie season.

[Drury18]

Just looking quick on the AHL site, last guy to go over a PPG as a rookie was in 2012-13 was Justin Schultz for the OKC Barons who had 48pts in 34 games.

For someone who played more of a full season, 2011-12 saw Corey Conacher score 80 in 75 and Gustav Nyquist score 58 in 56.

So yes, not very common.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Every season it looks like there are a few rookies that produce at that kind of a rate. It looks like that those that do all get called up before they can complete a full rookie season.

Yes, that was a common pattern looking at the top stats for the last few years. If you go to the smaller amount of games, you can find them fairly easily. To get someone who stayed 2/3 of a season or more with PPG is uncommon.

[waner]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Honest question. I know it's early returns here, but is Poirier even better than we homers thought he was? How many 19 year olds go over a PPG in their rookie year? Is that at all common?

Not likely common for a guy to go a full rookie season at a PPG pace but I am sure guys have done it over 5-10 games.

For 1994 births (same age as Poirier) Hudon, Pouliot, Leipsic all are at a PPG in their first 13-15 games and Pasternak who is 2 years younger is also at a PPG pace.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by waner

Not likely common for a guy to go a full rookie season at a PPG pace but I am sure guys have done it over 5-10 games.

For 1994 births (same age as Poirier) Hudon, Pouliot, Leipsic all are at a PPG in their first 13-15 games and Pasternak who is 2 years younger is also at a PPG pace.

Hudon and Leipsic are a little below a ppg right now,
While they were born in the same year as Poirier (1994) Hudon/Leipsic/Pouilot were drafted in 2012 and are all 20 years old right now.

[waner]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Hudon and Leipsic are a little below a ppg right now,
While they were born in the same year as Poirier (1994) Hudon/Leipsic/Pouilot were drafted in 2012 and are all 20 years old right now.

1 point off a PPG I guess that changes everything.

And yes they were drafted a year later but since hockey levels use birth years not cut off at Sept. 15th like the NHL draft they are at basically the same age of Poirier and have all played the same amount of years in junior. It seems silly to ignore birth years and use age when Poirier is 20 in two weeks, but I guess people can try to spin it to better fit what they want to believe.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by waner

1 point off a PPG I guess that changes everything.

And yes they were drafted a year later but since hockey levels use birth years not cut off at Sept. 15th like the NHL draft they are at basically the same age of Poirier and have all played the same amount of years in junior. It seems silly to ignore birth years and use age when Poirier is 20 in two weeks, but I guess people can try to spin it to better fit what they want to believe.

It does, 11 points in 12 games is not a PPG...

Pouliot is 11 months older then Poirier.
Leipsic is 7 months older then Poirier.
Hudon is 6 months older then Poirier.

[waner]

I assumed the point was to get a sense of who/how many guys were doing what Poirier was doing at a similar age.

Those 3 all fit the bill but if all Street Pharmacist wanted to know if who is doing the exact same thing at 19 years 315 days and 14 hours then Poirier is all on his own.

I think the late birth argument is often ignored by people when their guy is the beneficary and made into a big deal when their guy is the late birthday.

Poirier spent his whole life playing with 94 births, seems odd to seperate him now because of some arbitrary draft date. They don't split him out in minor hockey, didn't split him out in juniors and its why he is able to play in the AHL just like the other 3.

The main point remains that it is impressive what Poirier is doing but in order to really use it to translate to his ability in the NHL he is going to have to keep it up over a longer stretch of time because although impressive it isn't unique or an indicator of future NHL success (at least with this small sample size.)

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by DOOM

It does, 11 points in 12 games is not a PPG...

Pouliot is 11 months older then Poirier.
Leipsic is 7 months older then Poirier.
Hudon is 6 months older then Poirier.

And pouliot is a defenseman

[PeteMoss]

Not that it particularly matters... but using December 31st as a cut-off is as arbitrary (although more common) as using the NHL draft cut-off date.