Keystone Pipeline: Louisiana

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

From hearing obamas comments today, he made it sound like it only benefits canada and not americans in any way. They (canada) want to use our land to ship their oil to other countries. As far as i know this would still create jobs for americans.

He simply can't be that ignorant.

[Yoho]

"WASHINGTON—Barack Obama appears poised to play the last powerful card he has left — the presidential veto — to block approval of Canada’s controversial Keystone XL pipeline."


http://t.thestar.com/

[Clarkey]

What a weaselly piece of feces Obama is. He is trying to salvage some kind of environmental legacy out of his flaccid lame duck presidency. Too bad for him that the only legacy he'll be known for is as the President in riding when China surpassed the USA as world super power. And two years from now he get's to ride off into the sunset hobnobbing with his gangster rapper buds and billionaire vanity project campaign donors.

[Caged Great]

I'm glad Obama's willing to veto it. I hope he vetos everything the Republicans try to do, whether it's gutting Obamacare, the XL pipeline or any of the litany of bad ideas the Repubs try to pull in the next while.

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I'm glad Obama's willing to veto it. I hope he vetos everything the Republicans try to do, whether it's gutting Obamacare, the XL pipeline or any of the litany of bad ideas the Repubs try to pull in the next while.

The difference with this issue is that both sides are supporting KXL. O'bams is stubborn and doesn't want to face awkward social situations at cocktail parties with his billionaire enviro-chic campaign funders if he approves it.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

What a weaselly piece of feces Obama is. He is trying to salvage some kind of environmental legacy out of his flaccid lame duck presidency. Too bad for him that the only legacy he'll be known for is as the President in riding when China surpassed the USA as world super power. And two years from now he get's to ride off into the sunset hobnobbing with his gangster rapper buds and billionaire vanity project campaign donors.

Yeah lame duck presidency. He accomplished nothing in 6 years and had zero obstruction to hold him back.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I'm glad Obama's willing to veto it. I hope he vetos everything the Republicans try to do, whether it's gutting Obamacare, the XL pipeline or any of the litany of bad ideas the Repubs try to pull in the next while.

I think his last 2 years is spent having fun, screwing around republicans and outing them for the idiots they are.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I think his last 2 years is spent having fun, screwing around republicans and outing them for the idiots they are.

If the Repubicans were smart, they would try to be diplomatic and find legit solutions to problems in order to win in 16'. However, from their rhetoric and actions since they won the senate back, that looks doubtful.

In 16, all the tea party guys are up for re-election. If they don't stop being ridiculous the Dems will re-take both houses and likely the presidency.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Yeah lame duck presidency. He accomplished nothing in 6 years and had zero obstruction to hold him back.

Right, because no President before him has ever faced obstruction or ever had to build consensus.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Right, because no President before him has ever faced obstruction or ever had to build consensus.

Usually, the side obstructing will compromise in the end. The Republicans move the goal posts continually on everything.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Usually, the side obstructing will compromise in the end. The Republicans move the goal posts continually on everything.

they haven't on the Keystone issue. Approve it.


It's been the lame duck who has been non-committal and moved between excuses not to approve it.

[Vedder]

In approving Keystone now, Obama would lose a piece of leverage while enraging a lot of allies. There isn't a lot of upside politically.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Vedder

In approving Keystone now, Obama would lose a piece of leverage while enraging a lot of allies. There isn't a lot of upside politically.

That's a good point.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I think his last 2 years is spent having fun, screwing around republicans and outing them for the idiots they are.

So in otherwords nothing different from his first 6 years except that he's done as much to make himself look like an idiot.

If this guy wants to cement a legacy as even a halfway decent leader he needs to find a way to work with the houses.

And its not just the Republicans that are turned against him, its his own party.

Bottom line is that he entered the lame duck stage of his presidency far earlier then any other president and he's going to leave the office remembered as a often times confused and indecisive president, who did a very poor job of navigating the halls of power in Washington.

That doesn't bode well for the next Democratic Presidential candidate (Probably Hillary, gawd).

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Vedder

In approving Keystone now, Obama would lose a piece of leverage while enraging a lot of allies. There isn't a lot of upside politically.

By allies you mean special interest groups with big checkbooks.

Obama has always been obsessed with cash.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I'm glad Obama's willing to veto it. I hope he vetos everything the Republicans try to do, whether it's gutting Obamacare, the XL pipeline or any of the litany of bad ideas the Repubs try to pull in the next while.

Keystone isn't a Repub issue. Both sides are willing to approve it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vedder

In approving Keystone now, Obama would lose a piece of leverage while enraging a lot of allies. There isn't a lot of upside politically.

What happened to approving it because of economic reasons?

That is his exact problem. Everything has become political.

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

By allies you mean special interest groups with big checkbooks.

Obama has always been obsessed with cash.

Originally Posted by Azure

What happened to approving it because of economic reasons?

That is his exact problem. Everything has become political.

C'mon, let's not pretend like either of these issues is specific to Obama, or that because they've won the Senate that Republicans are suddenly acting altruistically.

[Azure]

Nobody said it was specific to him. Everyone realizes that Washington is all about politics and not actually doing what is best for the country.

Doesn't make it right though, so lets not act like Obama is somehow 'right' in all of this to disapprove of Keystone because he claims it won't benefit the US.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Vedder

C'mon, let's not pretend like either of these issues is specific to Obama, or that because they've won the Senate that Republicans are suddenly acting altruistically.

It would be an interesting study, because Obama has gotten a reputation as a president who has a higher priority in terms of fund raising then past presidents.

I mean would the worst thing that happens if Obama approves Keystone is that he doesn't get invited to one of George Clooney's fundraisers?