McDavid injury

[AcGold]

What a goofball fighting and risking his most valuable asset. He gets slashed and fights a guy with helmets on. That's risking 100 million dollar hands, not smart. If I was his dad I'd be giving him a long talk about risking a tenth of a billion dollars over a slash.

[waner]

Originally Posted by AcGold

What a goofball fighting and risking his most valuable asset. He gets slashed and fights a guy with helmets on. That's risking 100 million dollar hands, not smart. If I was his dad I'd be giving him a long talk about risking a tenth of a billion dollars over a slash.

I am not sure how big of a risk it is.

There are 1,000's of fights a year in the CHL, NHL, AHL and how many of those result in long term, career altering injuries? 1 a year?

[RyZ]

Brendan Ross, who I believe is the head scout for McKeens, says that this injury does nothing for the McDavid vs Eichel debate for 1st overall. McDavid would have to have his hand amputated for Eichel to pass him for 1st overall in the draft.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by waner

I am not sure how big of a risk it is.

There are 1,000's of fights a year in the CHL, NHL, AHL and how many of those result in long term, career altering injuries? 1 a year?

It might not end his career but it can't help, so not worth it at all. 1 a year? For the best player in the league and the highest rated prospect in nearly a decade that 1/1000 chance is not worth the biggest salary in the NHL for the next 15 years. The kids got pure gold in his hands and he's mucking it up in an emotional reaction, go to the bench and tell the enforcer who slashed him would be the smart thing. He simply shouldn't be fighting, the risk is exponentially greater than the momentary emotional reward.

[waner]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It might not end his career but it can't help, so not worth it at all. 1 a year? For the best player in the league and the highest rated prospect in nearly a decade that 1/1000 chance is not worth the biggest salary in the NHL for the next 15 years.

I think that 1 in 1000 may be a very conservative number, when was the last time a guy was seriously injured in a fight that it affected his career? And how many are those incidents involve 230+ lbs guys who can end your career with one punch or were involved in their 10th+ concussion.

Regular guys getting hurt in fight is so rare it seems silly to avoid it. Makes more sense for him to avoid going into corners or anywhere along the boards where he is much more likely to end up with an injury that would affect his career earnings.

[AcGold]

Odds aside what actually happened is he fractured his hand so that argument is moot. It could be career altering if it doesn't heal properly so I'm not sure how you guys are defending him fighting when it resulted in his injury. I'm not saying no guys should be fighting, but one of the top prospects in the past 20 years shouldn't be.

[waner]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Odds aside what actually happened is he fractured his hand so that argument is moot. It could be career altering if it doesn't heal properly so I'm not sure how you guys are defending him fighting when it resulted in his injury. I'm not saying no guys should be fighting, but one of the top prospects in the past 20 years shouldn't be.

It is highly unlikely that the hand won't heal properly so the argument is moot, he fought, he will be fine and everyone is saying it will have zero effect on his draft status so not sure why you are going off on the kid for getting in one fight in the heat of the moment.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

McDavid has slowed down considerably. He was at 4 PPG through 14 games, now at 18 games he's below 3. It's normal to start off hot. In fact, I bet if we look at Crosby's first 18 games it's similar

He was never at 4 PPG. He hasn't had more than 4 points in a single game. He got 9 points in his last 4 games which is just barely below his year to date total.

He got shutout a few games ago, but his last 7 games he's got 4, 4, 4, 0, 3, 4, 2 (missed half the game due to injury).

Really not slowing down at all besides one game.

[united]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Impossible to compare when they're in different leagues, but the best metric we have is NHLe.

Obviously the sample sizes are way to small at this point to mean anything at all, but just for perspective going forward, here are their numbers:

McDavid: 69.7
Eichel 62.4

That isn't a huge difference, but it is significant IMO (assuming it continues).

In the modern era, that would put McDavid at the top of the list ahead of Crosby, Kane and (a 20 year old) Gaudreau.

While Eichel's numbers are also very impressive, they leave him behind those guys. McDavid's NHLe is 12% higher than Eichel's at this point (which IMO is a pretty big gap).

It will be interesting to see how they evolve over the course of the season.

Edit: obviously McDavid's numbers aren't going to change for a while, so looking at Eichel, he would need to bump his PPG to 2.1 (currently 1.85) to close the gap.

Plus if you were to use Rob Vollman's most recent revisions to NHLe where he updated and created equivalencies for each college league as opposed to college in general, the Hockey East-specific equivalency is .33 instead of the previous generic NCAA equivalency of .41. Meaning Eichel's NHLe is actually 50.3.

So far, based on very small sample sizes, it seems McDavid would be in a class on his own under Crosby's tier but above everyone else's, and Eichel would be in the Tavares/Stamkos/Seguin/MacKinnon tier.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

I like the fact we are doing well, but man do i want to win the lottery.

Then I can take my lotto max winnings and build us a cyborg McDavid

[GioforPM]

Finish lucky 13th from the bottom, win with our 2% chance?

[Travis Munroe]

This doesnt change a thing for McDavid.... if anything it could help his image to some teams (or in the oilers case, perhaps he just showed that he isn't soft enough to play for them). There is no doubt that Crosby is the best in the world but the 1 thing that irritates me with him is his constant complaining. When players or reffs are mic'd up you hear it all the time.
A Crosby skill set with more of a edge to his game.... yes please.
As for it not healing - the specialists this kid most likely has access too almost guarantees it will be back to 100%.

[Weitz]

Hard to compare Eichel considering his age and the league he is in.

Let him play there as long as JG did and I bet his NHLe would be significantly higher.

[sureLoss]

Dhiren Mahiban @dcmahiban
McDavid to miss 5-6 weeks. Broke 5th Metacarpal bone on his right hand #NHLDraft

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
According to Erie's Sherry Bassin, expectation is McDavid will be able to play in World Juniors.

good news for Team Canada

[Nehkara]

For those of you wondering which bone that is: (This is the left hand though, not the right like McDavid's injury)

[Madrox]

Also known as a Boxer's Fracture.

[Buff]

He landed the punch with the wrong knuckles.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I don't think its dumb of him to fight, because he got hurt. I think it's dumb of him to fight, because it shows to the rest of the league that, you can get under his skin while also take him off the ice for 5+ minutes a night.

[FCAV]

I'm just going to toss this in here for fun:

“In my opinion, it was a good thing to see McDavid sticking up for himself,” Stewart said. “Accidents do happen and it is unfortunate but this does show how McDavid’s game has grown in confidence this season and his willingness to take control of all situations himself.

“I would think this really plays no role in his draft stock as we all pretty much know what he is and what he can do on the ice already.”

http://futureconsiderations.ca/mcdav...rank-jeopardy/

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by waner

It is highly unlikely that the hand won't heal properly so the argument is moot, he fought, he will be fine and everyone is saying it will have zero effect on his draft status so not sure why you are going off on the kid for getting in one fight in the heat of the moment.

Because it's dumb to fight when you are not a power forward and your hands are worth millions. The odds of it not healing are much greater than zero especially depending on the specific bone that was fractured.