[News] Canadiens place Rene Bourque on waivers. Upd: clears

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Posted worse numbers last year than his draft year and worse numbers yet to start the year

Really? 0.7% decrease in save percentage from 20012-13 to 2013-14 but with a better GAA and more shut outs, and you think thats worse? and he's only 15 games into this season.
I know everyone wants be declare this a Flames victory, but it's way too early to tell.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=143823

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Really? 0.7% decrease in save percentage from 20012-13 to 2013-14 but with a better GAA and more shut outs, and you think thats worse? and he's only 15 games into this season.
I know everyone wants be declare this a Flames victory, but it's way too early to tell.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=143823

And with a goalie in the mix - we won't know for another 7 years.
Ignoring players selected with picks in play the deal looks like a win for the Flames.

[Vinny01]

Feasters didn't have too many great trades but dumping Bourques cap hit was great. We gave up a fairly high pick but Ramo was a nice addition as well. Perhaps the Habs call him up for the playoffs?

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

And with a goalie in the mix - we won't know for another 7 years.
Ignoring players selected with picks in play the deal looks like a win for the Flames.

Exactly!
but we can't ignore the other parts of the deal.
I don't think we'll get anything significant for Ramo either... pending UFA who hasn't really proven to be consistent... I'll admit if i'm wrong, but I don't think i will be.
Deal could end up being Culkin(5th, 124th OA) for Fucale(2nd, 36th OA).
Who knows how this will all shake out in a few years?

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Feasters didn't have too many great trades but dumping Bourques cap hit was great. We gave up a fairly high pick but Ramo was a nice addition as well. Perhaps the Habs call him up for the playoffs?

But we took on a player with almost twice the salary and cap hit? even factoring the extra term, Cammalleri still const more...
I will admit, I do believe Cammy was much better for the dressing room and around the young guys so maybe that alone makes it a "Win"?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

But we took on a player with almost twice the salary and cap hit? even factoring the extra term, Cammalleri still const more...
I will admit, I do believe Cammy was much better for the dressing room and around the young guys so maybe that alone makes it a "Win"?

I believe in the end, the dollars worked out one to one.... but overall I liked Cammalleri more at the end. Both teams were just looking to dump a guy, in the end, I think we came out ahead.

Ramo for a 2nd round pick, I think is pretty standard.

Holland for a 5th round pick, again pretty standard.

I would call it a win at this point.

[sureLoss]

I seem to recall a few posters being upset the Flames gave up Holland in that trade.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I seem to recall a few posters being upset the Flames gave up Holland in that trade.

I don't think I posted on it, but without doing anything other than stat watching I didn't like it

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I don't think I posted on it, but without doing anything other than stat watching I didn't like it

He was on pace for a 100+pts season as a 19 year old.

Also I remember there was some concern that the Flames would not get him signed as it was January and if he didn't get signed by June he would have fallen back to the draft.

Unfortunately it looks like he won't be anything more than a tweener.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I seem to recall a few posters being upset the Flames gave up Holland in that trade.

It probably had more to do with the fact we had so few prospects with any chance of making the NHL at that point. If it were now nobody would care. Holland probably wouldn't even crack the top 20 Flames prospects now.

[Stay Golden]

Rene how the lazy have fallen.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

But we took on a player with almost twice the salary and cap hit? even factoring the extra term, Cammalleri still const more...
I will admit, I do believe Cammy was much better for the dressing room and around the young guys so maybe that alone makes it a "Win"?

We got the better player with half the term as Bourque. I was disappointed Cammy left in the first place and was happy the Flames got him back but I am also happy we did not give him the same deal the Devils did.

[getbak]

Even with the demotion, most of Bourque's cap hit still counts against the Habs. You have to think their next move will be to try to move him with some salary retained.


The worst part of that contract was always the length of it. Six years was a bad idea for a player with Bourque's consistency problems.

[Jacks]

I'm not convinced we would have taken Fucale if we had kept the pick. It's just as likely we would have taken one of the centres or a big winger like Zykov.

[BigJim]

I also think it depends on what ultimately happens with Ramo. I like Ramo alot and believe he's a very good goalie, but not convinced that he will be here at the end of the year just yet. Depending on his play this year, he may result in some other assets TBD.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I'm not convinced we would have taken Fucale if we had kept the pick. It's just as likely we would have taken one of the centres or a big winger like Zykov.

That's a good point - you can't judge a pick traded away based on who the other team picked (unless it was an obvious one like a number 1 or 2 overall).

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

We got the better player with half the term as Bourque. I was disappointed Cammy left in the first place and was happy the Flames got him back but I am also happy we did not give him the same deal the Devils did.

I think he has more talent for sure... better? I like cammy, but he was a minus player on a team who finished 25th and 27th who didn't warrant a decent proposal at the deadline. I'd argue his net effect on the team was minimal if not negative. Hindsight being 20/20, i'd rather have the 2nd round pick and compliance buyout of Bourque. Which in my mind nullifies the argument that this was a "win" trade by the flames.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by darthma

One aspect of that trade that shouldn't be overlooked was the remaining term on the contracts. Cammy's contract, although bigger, had 1 less year, giving us much more flexibility moving forward. We are benefiting from that this year as we rebuild. Imagine if we still had Bourque clogging up the system... ugh... It was definitely one of Feaster's best trades.

That trade was Conny's idea mostly, IIRC from interviews.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

I think he has more talent for sure... better? I like cammy, but he was a minus player on a team who finished 25th and 27th who didn't warrant a decent proposal at the deadline. I'd argue his net effect on the team was minimal if not negative. Hindsight being 20/20, i'd rather have the 2nd round pick and compliance buyout of Bourque. Which in my mind nullifies the argument that this was a "win" trade by the flames.

Ramo played really well the 2nd half of last season and in his first starts here. A decent backup > unknown 2nd round pick.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

That trade was Conny's idea mostly, IIRC from interviews.

do you by any chance remember details? I always find it fascinating to find out how deals go down.

I remember at the time this all went down, it was rumoured Montreal would do anything to get out of Cammalleri's contract (was considering buying him out) and I was hoping we could actually end up taking their cap dump (Cammalleri) and get a draft pick out of it.