CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I know you are full of crap. I am not mafia and you know it. I have proven town through my voting pattern.

What voting pattern is that? Throwing out a couple of votes and taking them off? Which days outside of Formulate and Aeneas did you vote for non-town at the end? You seemed to have a voting pattern of going after squiggs96 and MOT but when it came to their lynches you took back their votes, didn't want to get any blood on your hand?

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The two scum that we lynched were both gunning for me.

Yes, and Wood had also said to kill you three right before dieing. As had others. You did a great job at separating yourself.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When I was offered powers I discussed if I should take them with the board.

As did I when I was offered my kill. I took a power, that didn't work, because I needed it.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I revealed two powers that if I was scum there would be no way in hell I would reveal.

Yes, and Girlysports revealed a power that made us too afraid of lynching her. You guys did a great job of coming up with powers that night to give you the best chance at looking like town and avoiding lynches. But here we are in Day 10 and you haven't proved your power while everyone else has.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Funny how when I said the town had this in the bag you said how do we know you don't have a partner that will even the votes at the last minute? That is exactly what happened. Coincidence? Come on.

Why didn't you consider the possibility? You said that Timbo was my partner and you don't even think that to yourself "hey, Timbo could be faking with his vote and swap last second to fool us?" I don't buy that. You knew Timbo and me weren't partners so you knew you had me. Still want to hear from hockeyguy15 a bit more, but not complaining at this point.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Everything you are posting is the same smoke and mirrors. I am town, Drury is town, Timbo is town and we know this and we are going to win and no amount of circles you keep running around is going to change it.

We'll see.

But how about an explanation on why when it was 4-4 for us, I asked the town to kill me over you when all it took was 4 votes to lynch?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I still think Oling must have gotten that investigation report before the kill, it makes the most sense.

This isn't how the game works. We send in our actions and Mazrim decides how to resolve them if needed at the end. Admittedly I've received a couple around 9:00 looking back but most came right around the time Mazrim made his first post of the day.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Oh, I forgot about the time change. It was weird I had PM's as early as 9:05 but it actually was 10:05 at the time.

You can see it in a bunch of the posts:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=3138

The the hammer was dropped at 9:01 for Formulate's post.

So actually Timbo, while it says 9:44 you would have received the PM about Drury18 at 10:44 really.

[Drury18]

Hey Oling, did you forget about this? I mean you thanked it so you obviously read it.

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Can we stop the metagaming of the timing of PMs please? It's really not something you should be needing to do.

You are grasping at straws here Oling. You are even going against thing's Mazrim has told us very clearly and you are trying to tell us how the game is played when Mazrim has already said he doesn't reveal how the powers are resolved. You are stating fact but you are blowing smoke out your ass.

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you post a link to how you resolve powers? Or is that supposed to be hidden?

Originally Posted by Mazrim

No. It's not something I will discuss until after the game.

Also those links you posted? Those are to mafiascum. He's already told us to stop using them, he doesn't use them. Your "natural action resolution" is based off info Mazrim already said is NOT what he uses because they do things differently:

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Night_Action

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?...ion_Resolution

There is natural action resolution that needs to be followed. My investigation can't be instantaneous, everyone sends in their actions then Mazrim would go through the list and resolve all issues.

Otherwise, how could I be roleblocked? Or redirected? Or how about if my target is redirected?

We send in all actions, including kills, and then Mazrim waits until close to the start of the day (maybe get a head start if everyone sent in) and then goes through whatever his action resolution is. Timbo, you know you got my investigation result near the end of the day, so why are people trying to argue I get it earlier?

By the way when did you even send in your action Diss?

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Can you guys see the wiki link I put in the OP at work? It's not mafiascum...

Originally Posted by Mazrim

The reason I don't link to mafiascum is because they do things a little differently than elsewhere and you shouldn't rely on their word as gospel, especially for things like resolving power roles.

You should just go ahead and call him a ####### mod and you've pretty much used everything he's publicly come out and said stop doing to prove your points.

Seriously, going against stuff the MODERATOR has publicly said to continue to prove a point? You can seem to remember and pull up all this info about when PM's are sent and other information about voting, but you can't remember what the Moderator says? Come on.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Hey Oling, did you forget about this? I mean you thanked it so you obviously read it.



You are grasping at straws here Oling. You are even going against thing's Mazrim has told us very clearly and you are trying to tell us how the game is played when Mazrim has already said he doesn't reveal how the powers are resolved. You are stating fact but you are blowing smoke out your ass.





Also those links you posted? Those are to mafiascum. He's already told us to stop using them, he doesn't use them. Your "natural action resolution" is based off info Mazrim already said is NOT what he uses because they do things differently:








You should just go ahead and call him a ####### mod and you've pretty much used everything he's publicly come out and said stop doing to prove your points.

Seriously, going against stuff the MODERATOR has publicly said to continue to prove a point? You can seem to remember and pull up all this info about when PM's are sent and other information about voting, but you can't remember what the Moderator says? Come on.

It was a bit different situation, the metagaming of PM's was about my invitation to the Guardians and what the delayed response meant.

I do not see the timing of investigation PM's as metagaming when you guys are telling me I'm getting my investigation results earlier than I am and I can have Timbo and Hockeyguy15 confirm my claim. We have no issue with talking about the exact times invitations expire or anything like that. At that point I am just me defending my claim. It's odd that the three people who have used investigation results have received them all at the end of the night/beginning of day after all night actions are sent in while the two people who do not have investigation results are telling us when we do receive them.

As for the resolution, what I interpret it is that means how one action behaves with the others. Does a deflector initiate before the bus driver? Does the roleblocker stop another blocker and how did they interact with empowerer? Things of that nature. He needs to have a system in place so that things get resolved consistently.

Again, you fail to discuss how I can get investigation results instantly when I could be roleblocked, I could be deflected, my opponent could be deflected or my target could send them in later (or even receive a power during the night phase if he takes an invite I suppose).

[Drury18]

Well let's look at your investigation results compared to your play shall we?

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Night 1 - Formulate, unable.
Night 2 - Drury18, no one.
Night 3 - Formulate, unable.
Night 4 - Rathji, no one.
Night 5 - No night 5.
Night 6 - Squiggs96, he targeted Puxlut.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=2885

Night 1 - He tracks formulate. Not GP_Matt who we were unsure of after that whole debacle and he tossed a vote on and then tossed another two on the day after until Wood shot him. Not Squiggs who he voted for twice that day. Formulate.

Night 2 - Tracks me. I guess because I was outspoken?? Didn't like the newbie being so loud? However he also voted Squiggs again that day. So he's got two days of questioning why a guy isn't showing up and laying low, but doesn't track them, he goes after someone active. There's also the whole GirlySports invite thing and MrKajz44 invite thing (who he also voted for). But still, I'm the one he goes for the tracking on.

Hell, he even posted this in Day 2:

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

My suspicious list:

• GP_Matt and mrkajz44 - If one of them reveal mafia, I think the other should be looked at extremely close. If GP_Matt were to flip town, my suspicion on mrkajz44 would be heavily lessened.
• Delgar - Sorry Delgar if you are town, but with how the day started and so much to discuss I just can't see the "Mario and DK died, let's kill Bowser" logic as anything but misdirection.
• Squiggs96 - Seemed to be on radars yesterday, now he's off of them thanks in part to all the cult talk and is set up that he can lay low.

Night 3 - Formulate again. Least he voted for the guy this time that day. And if the first one failed, I'd probably try again too. Plus he had a post about formulate intervening in the Starseed vote and felt it scummy. This one actually adds up.

Night 4 - Rathji. This was after the Starseed MOT reveal and him still having doubts. He even made this long post about him. http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=2541
And he never really trusted him. So it would have made sense to investigate Starseed or Pux and prove what they said was true. This was also after having Rathji use his kill on Formulate. So Rathji kills the guy he was suspicious of, but then investigates him. Where does that make sense? Oling even mentions to GGG on Day 7 that he didn't trust Rathji...after he killed the guy Oling wanted http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=4455 GGG pushes even further asking why Rathji over GirlySports or Aeneas: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=4459

Night 5 - We didn't have

Night 6 - He FINALLY gets around to looking at Squiggs after being suspicious of him since Day 1: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=3525

NIght 7 - During Day 7 he posts this. http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=3588 So he's going to track one of the other on his list, Aenas or Diss. Aeneas is dead so it's Diss right? Or Starseed or Pux because he is so suspicious of them?

Actually, we never do find out who he tracked during Day 8 because he was too busy defending himself.

Night 8 - Starseed. Another one where he finally gets around to it. http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=4523

Night 9 - Dissentower. Another guy on his scum list off and on but first tracking is Night 9. That sure took awhile.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Again, you fail to discuss how I can get investigation results instantly when I could be roleblocked, I could be deflected, my opponent could be deflected or my target could send them in later (or even receive a power during the night phase if he takes an invite I suppose).

Please point out where I have said "Oling, I think you get investigation results instantly". Find that post. Show it to me.

I think you are missing what I was saying in this post:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=4991

You suggested that you couldn't see him visit Pux to gift her and then see the kill because you only see the end of night actions. You heavily implied that the kill would be the end of night action and you wouldn't see anything else despite being a tracker and seeing any actions. Your wording poor and probably vague on purpose. It was a calculated response, almost proven by how long you've gone on and on about it.

There's no question that your PM's come when all the actions are complete and not as they happen. Mazrim isn't around 24/7 to do play by play results and yes, he has to power resolve. That's common sense and I never questioned that (but I'm sure you'll find something and twist it to say that's what I said. That's your MO) But you were suggesting you wouldn't be able to see both a visit and a kill so it had to be a kill because it was the end of night action.

You followed it up later saying you think you probably wouldn't see two actions anyway.

Your the one who came to the conclusion I thought you got instant results. I've never said anything like that. I questioned why if you tracked someone, you couldn't see two actions. You came up with this instant thing and then having everyone confirm when they got the PM's after that and going on how I thought they were instant. I was trying to find out why you are so certain you couldn't see two actions. Or that the action had to be the kill when Diss has gifts to give.

It was a great smoke and mirrors trick to get out of answering that question or having to admit you couldn't see both, you can't confirm it's a kill, it is more then possible Diss did what he said.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Drury18, we're having two different arguments. Sorry.

Here's what my argument with Diss is about.

He says I saw him visit Puxlut with my tracking ability. He then says I used that knowledge to kill Puxlut because I knew she had the votes. My argument is I get my investigations at the end of the night after all actions are in so that would be impossible.

I'm not sure what exactly you're asking about my ability, but I see who visits someone each night. If Timbo, for example, used his bucket on Puxlut and doctor on GGG I would have seen him visit Puxlut and GGG.

If he used his doctor on Puxlut and his bucket on GGG, I believe very heavily (but not certain) that I would see he just visit Puxlut. I would not have the knowledge he used 2 abilities.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Are you confused over this wording?

"I would not be able to see he visit Puxlut and then kill Puxlut. That's not how the game works."

My argument is I would not be able to see he (Diss) visit Puxlut and then (I) kill Puxlut. It's what he's been arguing happened last night. He says I saw him visit Puxlut, I knew she had the extra votes and therefore I killed her. My argument is I get my investigation results after the night actions have to be submitted. He doesn't believe this.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

If he used his doctor on Puxlut and his bucket on Puxlut, I believe very heavily (but not certain) that I would see he just visit Puxlut. I would not have the knowledge he used 2 abilities.

Sorry, correction.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Night 1 - He tracks formulate. Not GP_Matt who we were unsure of after that whole debacle and he tossed a vote on and then tossed another two on the day after until Wood shot him. Not Squiggs who he voted for twice that day. Formulate.

It was night 1, it was random especially with RatherDashing showing town.

Originally Posted by Drury18

Night 2 - Tracks me. I guess because I was outspoken?? Didn't like the newbie being so loud? However he also voted Squiggs again that day. So he's got two days of questioning why a guy isn't showing up and laying low, but doesn't track them, he goes after someone active. There's also the whole GirlySports invite thing and MrKajz44 invite thing (who he also voted for). But still, I'm the one he goes for the tracking on.

You defended me against GGG on the first day. While I appreciated it, I was a bit curious why you would defend me so quickly. I was afraid you were playing the "perfect townie" role as I pretty much agreed with everything you said and I thought you provided good insight so I wanted to make certain I could trust you. I know it's anti-logic, but if you look at the game before I think Starseed did a very good "perfect townie" act as well which made me suspicious of him and he ended up being mafia. I would argue Formulate played that "perfect townie" role as well this game.

Originally Posted by Drury

Night 3 - Formulate again. Least he voted for the guy this time that day. And if the first one failed, I'd probably try again too. Plus he had a post about formulate intervening in the Starseed vote and felt it scummy. This one actually adds up.

Yes, Formulate had made that post about the doctor protecting himself and I had to go back and revisit this. Be certain.

Originally Posted by Drury

Night 4 - Rathji. This was after the Starseed MOT reveal and him still having doubts. He even made this long post about him. http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=2541
And he never really trusted him. So it would have made sense to investigate Starseed or Pux and prove what they said was true. This was also after having Rathji use his kill on Formulate. So Rathji kills the guy he was suspicious of, but then investigates him. Where does that make sense? Oling even mentions to GGG on Day 7 that he didn't trust Rathji...after he killed the guy Oling wanted http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=4455 GGG pushes even further asking why Rathji over GirlySports or Aeneas: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=4459

Yes, I was suspicious of Rathji after he accepted a power after me and you rejected. I have a couple posts in that day where I come out and say I don't trust Rathji. I target him, he did nothing at night, I felt pretty good about him. And to be fair, I don't think you were very happy Rathji took a power either.

Originally Posted by Drury

Night 6 - He FINALLY gets around to looking at Squiggs after being suspicious of him since Day 1: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=3525

Yep, and I would have liked to target Aeneas, Dissentowner or Girlysports at this stage too many powers were being deflected. I thought I had a better chance of my power working on Squiggs than them.

Originally Posted by Drury

NIght 7 - During Day 7 he posts this. http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=3588 So he's going to track one of the other on his list, Aenas or Diss. Aeneas is dead so it's Diss right? Or Starseed or Pux because he is so suspicious of them?

Actually, we never do find out who he tracked during Day 8 because he was too busy defending himself.

My mind changed about Diss that day. I was suspicious of him first as one of the 3 unknowns, I believe I fell into the same trap as everyone else with Aeneas and Girlysports. I believed Diss, I made that known when I asked the town to pick me over Diss. I don't know why it's so weird that I had a change of heart because most people did that day. I had the day to reassess things, and I tracked Starseed that night. I said as much.

Originally Posted by Drury

Night 8 - Starseed. Another one where he finally gets around to it. http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=4523

It was actually my second night in a row chasing him because I was still certain he was mafia. I'm not the only one who has been wrong this game about things.

Originally Posted by Drury

Night 9 - Dissentower. Another guy on his scum list off and on but first tracking is Night 9. That sure took awhile.

He was first on my radar as one of the unknowns on day 7. He cleared himself to me when Aeneas and Girlysports looked to pressure. But now I believed it was a very well executed plan to distance themselves from each other. It wasn't like I had many options either here.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Drury18, here's the post I want you to give me a chance on that you didn't give GGG please


Why my tracking doesn't quite make sense if I was mafia:

Night 1 - Formulate, sure that could be town or mafia action.
Night 2 - Drury18, again town or mafia.
Night 3 - Formulate, going back and wasting another tracking on someone who my power didn't work on, I'm not quite sure how that makes sense if I was mafia. It makes sense as town as I wanted to double check before I revealed and had him killed.
Night 4 - Rathji, could be either. But when I revealed that I had no reason to believe he was mafia I would have took away a suspect from the narrowing list of unrevealed mafia suspects that included Aeneas and Girlysports at the time.
Night 6 - Squiggs96, I would have known he was being truthful about his power. Diss was an unknown. Why would I waste my power on checking to see what the empowerer was up to when Diss could be anything?
Night 7 - Starseed, again if I was mafia that was a waste of my tracking ability and now that Diss had revealed his power I would have wanted to be checking to see what he did.
Night 8 - Starseed, same as above.
Night 9 - Dissentowner, down to 2 people really, I knew Puxlut was town, I trusted Drury18 and Timbo, hockeyguy15 had at least used his power. Diss had not been confirmed and was already top of my mafia suspects simply because of cancelling others out.

And then that would mean that the watcher, cop and tracker were all against the town. A lot of people said I was mafia because the town couldn't have both the watcher and investigator and that Aeneas was the likely townie. But he ended up mafia.


Why some of the mafia actions don't quite make sense if Diss was town:

On Night 6 they kill Wood who had told Puxlut to kill Aeneas, Girlysports or Dissentowner. He had no power, Dissentowner was still unconfirmed. He could have been the cop yet somehow they knew he wasn't. Yet they killed Wood putting a massive target on their backs considering who he had just named. Why not kill Diss, let him reveal to be town making Wood second guess his list? Then they could still do their own reveal about being princess and watcher or even maybe say cop if they weren't afraid that Timbo would call them out.

And after that why did the mafia not kill him earlier when he was "confirmed" townie by many? GGG and Rathji were "confirmed" townies who they went after, but Dissentowner was the only one with a power, well two powers, that would be incredibly damaging to the mafia if he was town. So why has he lasted so long?

Originally Posted by Timbo

Diss gained town cred by Aeneas and GS trying to manipulate a lynch.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. Diss gained town cred not by something he did, but the blatantly obvious move by two scum. After being so careful that not a single one had been lynched on Day 7 they do something so obvious?

The vote was 6 for him, the next highest had 2. There were multiple people okay with the hammer.

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Vote Count:

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 4 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (2): Drury18, Aeneas

Voted:
dissentowner (6): GirlySports, GGG, starseed, Timbo, Hockeyguy15
squiggs96 (2): Oling_Roachinen, Rathji
Puxlut (1):
Aeneas (1): Puxlut
Oling_Roachinen (1): squiggs96
starseed (1): dissentowner

The deadline is Tuesday, October 28th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

Those were the votes at the time.

Originally Posted by Rathji

Diss - Top of my list I think, after my realization of the frame job in my previous post. If it wasnt the hammer I would cast that vote now in a heartbeat. As it stands, any late voting (even the hammer) should be considered suspicious, as I think he is the forgone conclusion for today's lynch.

Rathji was posting stuff like this.

Originally Posted by Puxlut

I can be hammer if you guys want, but I'm only half feeling it right now.
There's something niggling at the back of my head about a couple of other players and I can't quite put my finger on it.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Why did you put the extra votes on him then?

And then they come out so blatantly against him that make everyone question? Why did they feel the need to pressure this vote? Why not just wait it out? If the argument is going to be me, Aeneas, Girlysports and Hockeyguy15 are the mafia, take a look at that vote count and see that not a single one of us had more than 1 vote.

It was perfect really, they make it seem like they want Diss dead. If Diss dies, like it looked like would happen, it separates them from him. If Diss lives, he has the perfect excuse to be "confirmed" townie now that 2 mafia members tried to get him out. But the funny thing is, Aeneas could have just hammered him if he was going to be so blatant about it. Wood called them out, they had to separate themselves after being so careful not to get lynched the pressure was on and the did an amazing job.

They also came up with powers that made us not want to lynch Girly, which was a lie, and a Diss now had excuse to be caught visiting townies, which has not been confirmed, so he wasn't even afraid of my investigator abilities. "I was giving doctor to GGG, votes to Puxlut." Etc.

[Hockeyguy15]

Recently Oling has been ok with offering himself up to lynch, he even said we should lynch him before Diss. What are the odds that Oling and Diss are both scum, and they want the vote steered to Oling because he is protected somehow?

When the frame job on me happened Oling was quick to come to my defence, probably thinking that if I was lynched he could claim he defended a town member. At the same time Diss votes for me putting distance between him and Oling, knowing that after my flip all the heat wil be on starseed/Puxlut for lying. Then they kill Puxlut at night because she is confirmed town and can explain what the hell happened last night.

The heat is now on Oling to start today so Diss votes for him right away. Oling starts making grand accusations to keep the vote on him and confuse us later, with the added benefit of tomorrow Diss saying why would Oling come after him if he was Mafia. They also have an argument about something trivial like when/how powers are used.

When Oling investigated Rathji was that the same time as when Diss was saying Rathjis powers were more benefit to the Mafia than us? I'm trying to remember if other than when Oling said kill him before Diss have they had anything to link them to each other?

[Hockeyguy15]

I'm back at post 3817 from Rathji and why he thought Diss is Mafia and the almost Diss lynch, there is a lot to read so if I find something I will link it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Recently Oling has been ok with offering himself up to lynch, he even said we should lynch him before Diss. What are the odds that Oling and Diss are both scum, and they want the vote steered to Oling because he is protected somehow?

When the frame job on me happened Oling was quick to come to my defence, probably thinking that if I was lynched he could claim he defended a town member. At the same time Diss votes for me putting distance between him and Oling, knowing that after my flip all the heat wil be on starseed/Puxlut for lying. Then they kill Puxlut at night because she is confirmed town and can explain what the hell happened last night.

The heat is now on Oling to start today so Diss votes for him right away. Oling starts making grand accusations to keep the vote on him and confuse us later, with the added benefit of tomorrow Diss saying why would Oling come after him if he was Mafia. They also have an argument about something trivial like when/how powers are used.

When Oling investigated Rathji was that the same time as when Diss was saying Rathjis powers were more benefit to the Mafia than us? I'm trying to remember if other than when Oling said kill him before Diss have they had anything to link them to each other?

GS made the same accusation about Rathji and I. We know how she flipped. If you thought Oling and I were in it together why would you vote for me at the last minute and not just let him die? Here is another scenario. Oling investigates me last night, see's I visited puxlut. He thinks he has figured out
who the last scum is. He comes out with his accusation as the day starts. I had visited puxlut last night, I gave her the Chaos Emeralds hoping to get an extra vote for the town. The next day Oling is accusing me of scum and surprisingly puxlut is dead instead of myself, Drury, or someone else. It seems obvious to me it had to be Oling who killed puxlut because he starts the day accusing me, he has night investigative powers, and I know I am town. A war starts and you have two remaining town trying to lynch the other while Godfather HG14 sits back and laughs. My problems with this are the way Oling had figured out every way "if" he was scum that they could win and your last minute vote against me after Oling had said how did we not know he didn't have a partner who would last minute vote? At this point I am more certain you are scum than Oling actually. Did you cast that last minute vote because you think you can get Oling on your side and I still have a power that can really help the town? I think quite possibly.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

GS made the same accusation about Rathji and I. We know how she flipped. If you thought Oling and I were in it together why would you vote for me at the last minute and not just let him die? Here is another scenario. Oling investigates me last night, see's I visited puxlut. He thinks he has figured out
who the last scum is. He comes out with his accusation as the day starts. I had visited puxlut last night, I gave her the Chaos Emeralds hoping to get an extra vote for the town. The next day Oling is accusing me of scum and surprisingly puxlut is dead instead of myself, Drury, or someone else. It seems obvious to me it had to be Oling who killed puxlut because he starts the day accusing me, he has night investigative powers, and I know I am town. A war starts and you have two remaining town trying to lynch the other while Godfather HG14 sits back and laughs. My problems with this are the way Oling had figured out every way "if" he was scum that they could win and your last minute vote against me after Oling had said how did we not know he didn't have a partner who would last minute vote? At this point I am more certain you are scum than Oling actually. Did you cast that last minute vote because you think you can get Oling on your side and I still have a power that can really help the town? I think quite possibly.

I already said why I switched last minute. Timbo was was waivering and Drury hadn't voted, you visited Puxlut and she died (yes it makes sense to give her the extra vote but maybe you were banking on that), you mysteriously got a doctor power with no strings attached which is weird. You started the day with a vote on you, but maybe you did it so it looked like you were being set up by the Mafia? You also switched your vote to me pretty quick during the frame up so maybe you knew starseed was town and saw it as a way to take me and then him out, that give you 2 lynches and smooth sailing?

If I was the godfather why bother putting myself out there when Oling was going to be lynched? Why not sit back and let it happen and go into tomorrow and take my chances? Correct me if I am wrong but you got your guardian power after the tied vote, not before? Why would I be worried about you having a guardian power when you didn't have it yet?

If it's 4-1 we can be wrong and still have a chance tomorrow, if it's 3-2 we can't be wrong on this lynch because it's game over.

[Hockeyguy15]

Also why not split the difference and use both your powers last night if you were worried about dying? Why not put 1 on Puxlut and 1 on Drury?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The next day Oling is accusing me of scum and surprisingly puxlut is dead instead of myself, Drury, or someone else. It seems obvious to me it had to be Oling who killed puxlut because he starts the day accusing me, he has night investigative powers, and I know I am town.

I know I am town too. I had been celebrating and wasn't exactly sober when I got the message that you visit Puxlut. To start the night I had known I was town, I had known Puxlut was town, I had strongly believed Timbo and Drury18 were town you were who I thought was mafia. I get the PM saying you visit Puxlut, look in the thread and she's dead. It doesn't take much to come to the conclusion you killed her, sober or not.

And when I say you visit/killed Puxlut, you start saying how I must have got my investigation power earlier. This isn't how my power worked, it looked like a cheap excuse to make it seem like I killed her. I still does because hockeyguy15 and timbo have confirmed they got their investigation results after the night actions were due.

But what I'm less sure about now is that Hockeyguy15 saved me for very little reason, because Timbo and Drury were unsure or something, yet is now accusing me as well?

Maybe I shouldn't be looking at it as he saved me, maybe he tried to kill Diss. My power is less scary to the mafia than Diss', if he isn't lying. If Hockeyguy15 is the reason Diss has a vote and is the Godfather/invitation giver/super mafia scum jerk then maybe he thought he could kill Diss, kill Drury/Timbo/Me at night and have another vote to start the day on Drury/Timbo/Me to finish the game with a 2-2 tie.

But that would rely him not thinking Drury would use his power. So I don't know. Definitely don't trust Diss, less sure about Hockeyguy15 now.

[Oling_Roachinen]

And Diss, one of the excuses you used was you were open about powers and had declined them. I was open about powers and had declined them, until I was put into a position that I thought I needed it and took it without discussing and revealing the power right away.

You just took a power without discussing and revealing it now too. I wouldn't blame you if you were town, but it was exact same situation I was in that you tried to use against me.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And Diss, one of the excuses you used was you were open about powers and had declined them. I was open about powers and had declined them, until I was put into a position that I thought I needed it and took it without discussing and revealing the power right away.

You just took a power without discussing and revealing it now too. I wouldn't blame you if you were town, but it was exact same situation I was in that you tried to use against me.

This is true. I felt I had no choice and the game is on the line. You are still distrustful of me, I am still distrustful of you, we both don't trust HG15.