Friedman's 30 Thoughts - Nov 6

[GioforPM]

I think, as a lawyer, I know what an analogy is. That's one of the main tools we use in court.

It was a poor analogy. You are comparing people supposedly questioning Sven's attitude with treating him like a criminal. How is that in any way an apt comparison?

Look, if Sven is underperforming, it's either physical or something in his head. Lack of effort, feeling sorry for himself, lack of confidence, whatever. Suggesting that it's the latter is not analogous to treating him like a criminal.

My point on your response when given the definition is that you never responded "it's just an analogy". You just continued to avoid the question of how we are treating him like a delinquent.

[BigFlameDog]

I did read it Miss Teeks....very interesting indeed, should use it at everyone's workplace.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think, as a lawyer, I know what an analogy is. That's one of the main tools we use in court.

It was a poor analogy. You are comparing people supposedly questioning Sven's attitude with treating him like a criminal. How is that in any way an apt comparison?

Look, if Sven is underperforming, it's either physical or something in his head. Lack of effort, feeling sorry for himself, lack of confidence, whatever. Suggesting that it's the latter is not analogous to treating him like a criminal.

My point on your response when given the definition is that you never responded "it's just an analogy". You just continued to avoid the question of how we are treating him like a delinquent.

First definition from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/analogy

"Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar."

So... guess you probably shouldn't be calling people out on something you don't understand.

I literally said "treating him like a delinquent", not, "he's a delinquent". That's clearly where I drew the similarity.

[GioforPM]

May I suggest, for everyone else's sake, that Sven discussions raised in other topics go to the Sven thread.

[Jason14h]

I don't know why some people get so up in arms over the fact Sven may be a bust.

Here's an ok article about 1st rounders

http://www2.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?ID=267960

Only 50% of players in his draft position ever play 100 games. That's a coin flip to ever make it, not even be impactful.

Smart teams realize which players the other 50% are and don't offer 2nd contracts or deal for an asset before the player's value is zero.

The Flames historically kept paying any 1st round bust 800,000/year to do nothing instead of moving on.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

First definition from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/analogy

"Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar."

So... guess you probably shouldn't be calling people out on something you don't understand.

I literally said "treating him like a delinquent", not, "he's a delinquent". That clearly where I drew the similarity.

I know what you said. I also know what an analogy is. Please refrain from the use of condescension.

No one was treating him like a delinquent, since delinquents are punished by fine or incarceration and given a record, not just criticized. It's not a good analogy.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I know what you said. I also know what an analogy is. Please refrain from the use of condescension.

No one was treating him like a delinquent, since delinquents are punished by fine or incarceration and given a record, not just criticized. It's not a good analogy.

Holy hell buddy

That was my exact point. He has no record (or in this case evidence) of having poor character, yet people are still treating him like there is evidence, which is pure nonsense.

Thus the comparison that has somehow stopped all discussion within this thread. I meant nothing else by that statement.

But yeah, I'm being obtuse.

[MissTeeks]

Why don't you guys just all stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalalala, not listening" cause that's pretty much what this has devolved into.

[timbit]

Arrested Development?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Holy hell buddy

That was my exact point. He has no record (or in this case evidence) of having poor character, yet people are still treating him like there is evidence, which is pure nonsense.

Thus the comparison that has somehow stopped all discussion within this thread. I meant nothing else by that statement.

But yeah, I'm being obtuse.

Actually, he has evidence of a poor attitude.

And I never said obtuse.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Actually, he has evidence of a poor attitude.

And I never said obtuse.

Where is the evidence?

[GioforPM]

His statement upon being scratched last year quoted above. The observations of Troy Ward. His non-answer about requesting a trade. Comments by Hartley.

Stuff like this:

"I really felt uncomfortable to a point," Baertschi said, reflecting on his time with the Flames. "Stuff happened that, let's say, was tough to understand for me – coach's decisions and stuff.


"I had a tough time. Certain games I was playing well, but then I didn't get a big chance because maybe he (Hartley) didn't trust me enough yet. It's tough to say as a coach – he has a lot of pressure, because he has to make the playoffs this year.

[Ashasx]

Wow such bad character.

[codynw]

This thread:

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

So because I knew the definition of the word means it's not appropriate for an analogy?

Can I get Textcritic's opinion on this one?

An analogy is never a direct, 100% comparison. Otherwise it wouldn't be an analogy.

True. But good one's are obvious and help to clarify the point that one is attempting to make, and I really don't think that your's had that effect.

But enough about the function of your analogy.

Since you asked for my opinion...

I think you are being really needlessly defensive about this, and it is probably best if you stepped back from the discussion. I honestly don't think anyone else is that caught up on whether or not Baertschi's suffers from "character" issues. Most of us are just concerned to know why he seems to be struggling, and most posters seem to believe that his problems are more psychological than physical.

THAT'S ALL. It's probably best that we leave it at that for now. Hopefully he has a good game tonight.

[GioforPM]

Essentially in that quote he's saying he played well, but Hartley didn't play him because Hartley was too concerned about his job.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by codynw

This thread:

For my part, my apologies.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Fire

So you think Sven has played well?

Not well, not bad either. He's just played okay. Hard to judge to be honest. He's had a couple decent shifts here or there, but nothing amazing. Thought he had a good first 1st period vs the Habs upon returning but then in the 2nd his line saw nothing due to the large amount of special teams. Thought the 2nd game was just okay, didn't notice him all that much for the wrong or right reasons. Which might not be bad since he's just coming back here.

I think anyone saying he's sucked in the past two games are using past performances to judge. He's been okay. Will have to step up his game, hopefully he does. Bob Hartly has shown he'll bring guys along slowly, almost at a snails pace. Can be frustrating if you're a fan of a guy.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

I'm wondering why bother, I bet most people didn't even bother to read the entire article. But here:

I think this sounds pretty neat. If it helps reduce injuries, it seems like something to try out.

That seems quite interesting, although I'm a little confused about how it eliminated the soft tissue injuries. Because players were now able to tell when they are overexerting themselves?

[AcGold]

I just don't get what the rush is with Sven. He's still got years on his contract, so what if he doesn't perform today. Trading him at minimum value isn't going to help. Let him mature. He's one prospect among dozens.