Between the that traffic circle and the bizarre Dartmouth Rd circle (train tracks down the middle!) I am going to plow into someone one of these days. I learned to drive traffic circles in Italy, take the inside lane at full clip and the right lane has to yield to you. Never show weakness. Apparently Calgary traffic engineers aren't down with that.
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You are obviously not familiar with this particular cluster fata. If they had set it up like a normal traffic circle there would be no problems.
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Craziness.
My friend lived in McKenzie Towne for the past 15 years. I am very familiar with this circle and, yeah, it could be busy at times. But it's nowhere near craziness.
Who is responsible for the traffic circle in McKenzie Towne?
It is an accident waiting to happen. All entrances have two lanes and all exits have two lanes, NOT SO FAST, the exit onto Prestwick Blvd. has a new line directing into a single lane, even though there are two lanes on Prestwick Blvd. It is ridiculous.
Is there a reason it is like this?
I've been working hard to remove those stupid 2 to 1 lines by going wide from the center lane. That traffic circle worked fine for 10 years before they started dumbing it down for incompetent drivers. Also, all this money spent on signage and painting when the thing has needed a quick repave for 2 or 3 years now. Its washboard in the center circle and its jarring on a motorcycle.
Well now we know why things are so messed up...people have taken it into their own hands to drive it "the way I feel it should be" rather than the way it's been set up by the City because they think they know better than them. Cool!
The modern roundabout layout is designed to assist traffic flow because the original layout is counter intuitive to many. Just because you learned it some way in Europe does not mean it applies here.
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That traffic circle worked fine for 10 years
If this was true, they wouldn't have responded to all the complaints and changed it.
I've been working hard to remove those stupid 2 to 1 lines by going wide from the center lane. That traffic circle worked fine for 10 years before they started dumbing it down for incompetent drivers. Also, all this money spent on signage and painting when the thing has needed a quick repave for 2 or 3 years now. Its washboard in the center circle and its jarring on a motorcycle.
Well now we know why things are so messed up...people have taken it into their own hands to drive it "the way I feel it should be" rather than the way it's been set up by the City because they think they know better than them. Cool!
The modern roundabout layout is designed to assist traffic flow because the original layout is counter intuitive to many. Just because you learned it some way in Europe does not mean it applies here.
If this was true, they wouldn't have responded to all the complaints and changed it.
Its setup completely nonsensically now. The narrowed exits make no sense whatsoever, and for people making a right from an adjacent entrance have to watch for people who shouldn't end up in their lane. The driving handbook outlines how people are supposed to use traffic circles. Sadly we've got a bunch of trial and error traffic engineers trying to reinvent the wheel. Their first attempt at fixing this was quickly scrubbed out. Now we've got rev 2 and its destined for the dustbin.
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Anyone have any more information on this? Sounds like they might be putting MORE lights on Barlow, which seems like a stupid idea, but I can't find anything on all of the changes.
Hey Bunk, couple questions. First is there a budget document that kind of highlights things proposed, but isn't the 4" binder? I would be interested in seeing where the budgetary increases are (at least proposed).
Second, say there was an intersection at Edmonton Trail and Memorial Drive and you wanted the pedestrian crossing shutdown on the East side shutdown. How would you go about that? This is the place where there is one lane to turn left, and it makes little sense to have pedestrians cross there when the West side is just as useful.
Anyone have any more information on this? Sounds like they might be putting MORE lights on Barlow, which seems like a stupid idea, but I can't find anything on all of the changes.
The weave lengths at the cloverleaf interchange for Barlow and 16th Avenue are way too short, so adding lights instead of those loops is fine by me.
They are fine, if you know how to actually accelerate. I just remember all the fun 25 minute drives at rush hour between centre street and 16th going North a few years ago, and can't see how this would improve it.
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They are fine, if you know how to actually accelerate.
That's asking a lot of the drivers who can't hit 60 km/h on the on-ramp from 16th Avenue to Northbound Deerfoot!
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It not being changed now becasue it's the problem, the problem is with the 19th Ave interchange, they need a longer weave zone in between.
Surely you agree that the yields at the end of the side ramps were awful as well, though. While my experience with the interchange is not nearly as regular as yours could be, my experience with short weave sections in general has turned me off full Cloverleaf designs for more than just land use reasons.
I'm not sure what to think about the Barlow & 16th interchange. I've driven there a lot and I've never noticed it congested during peak times. Barlow is typically congested from 16th to Memorial because of all the lights.
The changes to 16th and 19th, and 16th and Deerfoot will be really good I think.
edit: Looks like transportation already shot this down, thank god haha.
" YYC Transportation • an hour ago Just a point of clarification - the crosswalk flags are not an active initiative being considered by The City at this time. They were discussed in a committee meeting yesterday in acknowledgement to a comment by a Councillor.
The flag concept is one of several potential tactics that could eventually be used by communities or schools to help improve safety – but we see this as a community-led
and community-owned initiative, rather than something that would be implemented
city-wide.
We often work with Community Associations and schools to provide educational materials and shared resources to help improve safety at crosswalks. The flags could eventually be presented as a possible tool for individual communities – but that is very much dependent on the findings from other municipalities already trialing this initiative"
I'm going to echo Jones (I think it was him) that said "why are we putting lights in at Barlow and 16th?" It's functioning just fine with the current design.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
I don't understand the thinking here. Oh wait...silly hall.
