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devo22 · 11-02-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm not a Sven hater, I actually thought he was overly criticized last year and thought he should have stayed up. But it's funny how heavy the support is for him by some posters. He's a pretty average small forward.

probably a mix of him being the highest Flames pick in a very long time and unrealistic expectations after his emergency recall. When he was drafted, the Flames top prospects included Leland Irving, Ryan Howse, Greg Nemisz and Mitch Wahl. People were desperate for a top prospect back then

I hope he impresses. Time to shine

Nme-Territory · 11-02-2014, 10:01 AM

I'm pulling for the kid. He has the potential to be a key piece of this young team. For me, best case is that he outplays the other young call-ups and stays for good.

BUT...If he doesn't show that belongs on the team, both on and off the ice, then I hope he's dealt for a defensive prospect at some point.

PugnaciousIntern · 11-02-2014, 10:01 AM

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How can be expected to succeed if they don't put him on the top line with our best players? If they do that, the Flames are clearly trying to sabotage him because Burke and Hartley hate him.

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Drury18 · 11-02-2014, 10:01 AM

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You should go read the quotes on both Reinhart and Baertschi. This is deserved. Both players have been working incredibly hard.

All you seem to be doing is looking at stats and basing your judgement off of that.

Well I'm sorry you disagree and feel I'm misinformed, but I did say before that I felt that Sven needed to simmer a little more before his call-up. I didn't suggest to put him on a rocket to Mars and fire him off the team.

I am aware of the play in Adirondack and while I did miss last nights game so I didn't see what Sven did, I have watched the rest of them and many of them were the Baertschi of old. A few games, I don't even recall seeing him and checked the official scoresheet to see if he was playing. He had a better game against the Rampage and I'm guessing a good one against the Comets. So he's had two significant recent games. But so has Hanowski, Knight, Poirier and Reinhart. Could have been a choice between the 4 (as Emile just came back).

I'm sure each prospect was given a list of things to work on and some players came into this year playing a different way, different style, different hunger. Hanowski is almost a complete 180 from his play of last year. Not as dramatic as Jooris, but almost in the same realm. They came in with something to prove. Baertschi was showing the status quo. I'm not in the mindset that status quo is enough to get the call and I am even concerned that if he hasn't met all the goals, that this call up and realistically demotion once players become healthy might be a set back. We've seen in him before that demotions are hard on him so I would have rather avoided that. He just started correcting his on ice puck issues and now they call him up and maybe in a week send him back. I'm not a fan of this decision with players who have shown in the past they don't respond to this recall/demotions well.

There's a few players in Addy who are just not having things connect this year, leading to their rough start. New place, new players, new system, new coach. There are struggles and some players are responding differently then others. One is no secret my favorite and someone I support hugely: Joni Ortio. Should the Flames need to recall a goaltender, I really wouldn't want Ortio going up at this point. He's not playing well at all and doesn't look like the same guy from last year. Sven I think struggled with this too as did Knight to start the year, Reinhart up until recently and even Granlund took awhile to fire up. And don't get me started on the defence. There must be a new system there because they look lost most nights. So I'm not singling out Baertschi in anyway.

If I wanted to be a real jerk, I could suggest perhaps Baertschi was called up because the Addy Flames are now down to 11 players eligible to play and they didn't want to remove the offense completely from the team. Losing a Reinhart, Hanowski or Knight could be more detrimental to the team then Baertschi. Like many have said, there are two sides to the coin. This could be a reward, this could be what they did with Hanowski late last year as his ELC was expiring and he was due for his RFA. 15 of our prospects are going to be RFA's after this season including Ferland, Baertschi, Jooris, Knight, Van Brabant, Agostino, Hanowski, Arnold and Reinhart. That's alot of guys to have that conversation with and keep tabs on. I could see them getting an early start in the process so come March-May they are doing a lump of meetings to send out qualifying offers.

nik- · 11-02-2014, 10:02 AM

I'm extra supportive of Sven because I'm embarrassed at how many fans instantly turned their backs on him the moment Burke questioned his game.

Igster · 11-02-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I'm extra supportive of Sven because I'm embarrassed at how many fans instantly turned their backs on him the moment Burke questioned his game.

Agreed. The kid has gotten a rough ride. Would love to see things really work out for him this time. Go Sven go!

AC · 11-02-2014, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I'm extra supportive of Sven because I'm embarrassed at how many fans instantly turned their backs on him the moment Burke questioned his game.

Also a case of being more interested in the shiny new toy. With Gaudreau and Bennett, suddenly people move past Baertschi entirely.

Street Pharmacist · 11-02-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I'm extra supportive of Sven because I'm embarrassed at how many fans instantly turned their backs on him the moment Burke questioned his game.

Sven care +2

Vulcan · 11-02-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I'm extra supportive of Sven because I'm embarrassed at how many fans instantly turned their backs on him the moment Burke questioned his game.

I want all of our prospects to do well including Sven. I didn't turn my back on him and certainly not because of what Burke said. I lost some faith in him because of how he reacted and didn't do much when sent down. He regressed and nobody wants to see that with a young prospect.

I think he's improved his game a lot this season despite his lack of points. He's far better when battling for the puck and maybe just needs some confidence to light a fire under him. Maybe this call up will help with that.

DazzlinDino · 11-02-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by devo22

probably a mix of him being the highest Flames pick in a very long time and unrealistic expectations after his emergency recall. When he was drafted, the Flames top prospects included Leland Irving, Ryan Howse, Greg Nemisz and Mitch Wahl. People were desperate for a top prospect back then

I hope he impresses. Time to shine

I think he was put in a situation with expectations that did more harm than good, and his early success led to a bit of entitlement. He has the talent he just needs to be a more complete player. He needs to bring that passion to his game and be a force out there.

FBI · 11-02-2014, 10:17 AM

Well I was already excited for tonight's game. Now I'm super excited.

sureLoss · 11-02-2014, 10:20 AM

Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
"I'm so excited." - @SvenBaertschi on getting recalled

BigBrodieFan · 11-02-2014, 10:21 AM

I truly hope the best for all the kids, but I've always thought that all Sven ever needs is a confidence boost and he'll play with fire. I hope that BH gives him some good playing time tonight. I love the kid. Go Sven!

Miniac · 11-02-2014, 10:22 AM

Ya Sven!

djsFlames · 11-02-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I'm extra supportive of Sven because I'm embarrassed at how many fans instantly turned their backs on him the moment Burke questioned his game.

Oh fanboys..

I'm pretty sure no one turned their back when Burke made those comments. People turned their backs when he didn't play up to his potential after being challenged by management. The lack of response in a situation he should have been thriving in, then displaying his sense of entitlement over a roster spot after being cut again is probably what has people turning their backs, more than anything. I still support the kid and wish him well, but I'm not as optimistic as I once was given his performance over the past year.

Huntingwhale · 11-02-2014, 10:24 AM

Yes, excited to see Bart in action!

Vulcan · 11-02-2014, 10:25 AM

It looks like he'll be playing on the third line with Byron and Setoguchi.

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=737230

Roof-Daddy · 11-02-2014, 10:26 AM

Baertschi, Granlund and Gaudreau all on the roster tonight.

2011 draft paying it's due.

Wotherspoon will also be an NHLer out of that draft, IMO.

edslunch · 11-02-2014, 10:29 AM

I can see how people see this as not entirely merit based. On the other hand he's the 4th callup so he wasn't exactly handed it on a platter. Given that the Flames are now playing 4 or 5 rookies I'd expect his experience factors into this.

AC · 11-02-2014, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

I can see how people see this as not entirely merit based. On the other hand he's the 4th callup so he wasn't exactly handed it on a platter. Given that the Flames are now playing 4 or 5 rookies I'd expect his experience factors into this.

He was also one of the very last training camp cuts.