Jian Ghomeshi no longer with CBC

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Bagor

BS. Where did I question the victims even in the face of the answer?

I was simply curious as to why the preference for the media over the police when the justice system promises anonymity.

Show me where I questioned the victims?

I also owe you an apology, because reflecting on my post I think I worded it too harshly. I am sorry.

[troutman]

Dan Savage interviews another woman:

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...-jian-ghomeshi

While that interview was airing on As It Happens—pretty much at the exact same time it was airing—I was interviewing a woman who claims she dated Jian Ghomeshi two years ago. This woman contacted me after reading my first Slog post about Ghomeshi on Monday.

The woman who contacted me said that she was one of Ghomeshi's consensual BDSM play partners and she wanted to defend him.

"I'm 27 years old and don't want to be identified at all but I do want to people to know how thorough our consent talks were," she wrote. "I am very worried about him and would like my story to be among the rest to give people a clearer picture. I'm not sure how to go about this."

Savage:

UPDATE 2: As I continue to read more about Ghomeshi... I now think my interpretation—my attempt to reconcile the experience of the woman I interviewed with the reports of eight women who report being assaulted by the radio host—was entirely too charitable.

[jammies]

I don't understand many things that I nevertheless know are true. What is the obsession people have with WHY the vast majority of women don't want to involve the legal system when they are sexually assaulted? Can you not just accept that this is a fact, and work from there?

Yes, it might be important to know the reasons if we want to encourage more women (or men, for that matter) to come forward. However, it is not at all relevant in a discussion like this. As it turns out, at least one woman has come forward and identified herself. If you only believe that now that this has happened, that Jian is likely guilty, then you have a disconnect with logic and reality based upon an incorrect belief that anonymous accusations are likely untrue due solely to their anonymity.

[ExiledFlamesFan]

This thread has been very eye opening for me. The fact that this creep had getting away with physically and sexually assaulting women for over 10 years without a single police investigation is shameful. We need to change our culture to make reporting assaults easier, less intimidating, and less judgemental for women.

Hopefully this high profile miscarriage of justice case leads to significant change in our society.

[Ryan Coke]

But there is no question that an anonymous accusation carries less weight. The reasons for anonymity are entirely understandable, but so is the understanding that since they are not verifiable in any way they are not as credible. That is true and understandable.

It isn't useful to just say we should accept any unverifiable claim as truth, it has to be weighed in its credibility.

But be clear, in my opinion, reading the info and using my own personal BS meter, Jain is a total scumbag.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by troutman

Dan Savage interviews another woman:

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...-jian-ghomeshi

My theory is that Ghomeshi's MO has been to initiate rough sex—become violent in the lead-up to a sexual encounter—and that he either believes or intends to argue that this was how got a woman's consent. If he became violent and they didn't respond negatively or didn't leave or if they returned, he saw that as consent. If they reacted negatively, if they were unhappy, he stopped.

I was thinking the same thing. His idea of consent is not the same as everyone else's including the law. I bet the same goes for his abuse. In his mind it isn't abuse, it's part of the pleasure. This might explain his Facebook post and lawsuit. He doesn't think he has done any wrong.

[troutman]

Jacqueline Windh ‏@jwindh
Brilliant! Stuart McLean replacing #jianghomeshi as host of @CBCRadioQ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66lyy9QaUa4&feature=youtu.be … cc. @grgblee @cbcradio @CBC @cbcasithappens

[MarchHare]

LOL, awesome parody!

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

It isn't useful to just say we should accept any unverifiable claim as truth, it has to be weighed in its credibility..

Who said we should? When its claim vs counter-claim, then yes, you should at the very least reserve your judgement. Is that what originally happened, though? He was fired, then he posted a defence for something nobody had yet accused him of, then multiple anonymous sources were cited accusing him. What I'm getting at is, if you were focusing on the anonymity of the sources as a reason to still reserve judgement, you were ascribing a motive to the choice of anonymity that had even less evidence - being zero - than the evidence against Ghomeshi. Doing so is not being "fair" or "impartial", it is confirming your bias.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Burninator

He doesn't think he has done any wrong.

Don't make excuses for him. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Jian Ghomeshi: 8 women accuse former CBC host of violence, sexual abuse or harassment

Months later, she confronted him in an email, suggesting that details of his behaviour might go public. “i’m shaking as I read this,” he responded, “can we please talk?”

[afc wimbledon]

I actually give a bit more credence to an interview with the press in a case like this, granted Ghomeshi's not Wacko Jacko rich but going to the cops to file against a dude with money and fame is often the precursor to a lawsuit where as there's no gain to a story.
I really don't buy the bitchy ex angle, pretty well ever and I've had bitchy ex's.

[Flash Walken]

Never start an argument with someone who buys ink by the barrel.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I was thinking the same thing. His idea of consent is not the same as everyone else's including the law. I bet the same goes for his abuse. In his mind it isn't abuse, it's part of the pleasure. This might explain his Facebook post and lawsuit. He doesn't think he has done any wrong.

Guys sometimes are on the receiving end of similar things from women. I used to date a girl that when she got turned on, she would grab chunks of flesh on me so hard it would leave purple bruises and scratch so hard it would bleed. I never straight up consented to it but I accepted it as a negative part of an overall good relationship.

edit: That is not to mean that it is anything near the magnitude of the allegations against Ghomeshi of course. I guess the point is that some things become so normal to someone that they forget that it isn't acceptable. If the allegations are true, it sounds like he has some serious issues with reality.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by ae118

What kind of woman doesn't report sexual assault?

http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/6059124

This is a great read from a credible source.

Back in my litigation days I was often angry at counsel that encouraged litigants with weak cases. That system grinds plaintiffs pretty hard. I can't imagine the increased intensity on a witness in a criminal trial.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I was thinking the same thing. His idea of consent is not the same as everyone else's including the law. I bet the same goes for his abuse. In his mind it isn't abuse, it's part of the pleasure. This might explain his Facebook post and lawsuit. He doesn't think he has done any wrong.

As far as I can see his concept of negotiation of consent is the hair pulling slapping part, if they don't object to that then he figures they are consenting to whatever other unpleasant plans he has. Which does lead one to think there will be victims who didn't freak out and cry or fight back but didn't consent either, that's not uncommon, and they will have had a way worse experience.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Don't make excuses for him.

I am not making excuses for him. Guessing to his motives / thought process is not excusing what he did.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

Jian Ghomeshi: 8 women accuse former CBC host of violence, sexual abuse or harassment

Months later, she confronted him in an email, suggesting that details of his behaviour might go public. “i’m shaking as I read this,” he responded, “can we please talk?”

He also may not want details of his sexual life in public. Obviously we don't know all the details but from all the articles I have read none of the women have mentioned him trying to use his influence in the industry to silence someone about going public or to the police, perhaps because he doesn't feel he has done anything illegal. Lots have assumed the influenced though. Anyways, it's just my guess as a level 4 internet psychologist.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I am not making excuses for him. Guessing to his motives / thought process is not excusing what he did.

He also may not want details of his sexual life in public. Obviously we don't know all the details but from all the articles I have read none of the women have mentioned him trying to use his influence in the industry to silence someone about going public or to the police, perhaps because he doesn't feel he has done anything illegal. Lots have assumed the influenced though. Anyways, it's just my guess as a level 4 internet psychologist.

It's the implication, that's one of the things that makes stature stature.

The implication is, he's got a ton of followers on social media, has (had) his own soapbox and generally is in a position to sway public opinion.

He doesn't have to threaten to use his influence to wield it, it's already there. He's an influential person and that makes it threatening to go against him.

[sureLoss]

Another woman has gone public, author/lawyer Reva Seth

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10...?utm_hp_ref=tw

Another woman is going public with allegations of abuse against Jian Ghomeshi. Author and lawyer Reva Seth has detailed her experience with Ghomeshi in a blog published by The Huffington Post Canada.

Seth recounts meeting the former CBC host in 2002 when she was 26 and starting a new job at Toronto City Hall. Seth says the two saw each other casually and had only kissed a few times before one night when she says Ghomeshi "became a different person, super angry, almost frenzied and disassociated."

Seth says the situation quickly escalated.

"Jian had his hand around my throat, had pulled down my pants and was aggressively and violently digitally penetrating me," she writes.

Seth says she never intended to see him again after that night and tried to put the incident behind her. She says she "didn’t want to engage the police in my life," and as a lawyer knew that it would be a "he said, she said" situation. She felt her sexual past would be "eviscerated."

The Huffington Post Canada has verified the dates and incidents detailed by Seth, who has not spoken to any other media outlets. Along with actor Lucy DeCoutere, Seth is now the second woman to reveal her identity while describing an assault by Ghomeshi. Up to seven anonymous women have also alleged assaults or harassment by Ghomeshi in reports from the Toronto Star and the CBC.

edit: direct link to Seth's blog where she details her experience:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/reva-se...b_6077296.html

[ben voyonsdonc]

He has been dumped by two PR firms - Navigator and Rock-It. He is pretty much a pariah...as he should be.

[CaptainCrunch]

I hate using this line because I rarely believe it.

But this guy sounds almost sick and way beyond the whole BDSM community where there are rules and partner respect and definite not only consent, but the old solid standby which is the safety word.

This creep feels like he's walking that fine line between self satisfaction and rape fantasy.

He needs help.