Jian Ghomeshi no longer with CBC

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nik-

Chris Brown beat the #### out of Rihanna and it was a slam dunk case and a bunch of women ran to his defence. Some people are just messed up.

it is not just women.


You see men and women jumping to his defence.


I am all for innocent until guilty, but on the flip side you can't discount the allegations just because of the person that they were brought against.


He has a bit of a Cult of Personality (also a kick as song).

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by troutman

Surprised to see so many women on Facebook defending him, and doubting the allegations of the three women in the Toronto Star story. Or, they haven't seen that story yet?

It's definitely hard to weed out the truth in a situation like this. Most people would jump to the defense of someone who was a friend, a person you thought you knew well and would never be capable of engaging in behaviour like this. It might take more to convince you than unsubstantiated statements from anonymous people.

I don't agree with blind defense of him, just because of who he is, or that you like his radio program, that is stupid.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

allegations meant to defame.

Yes, that is what Ghomeshi posted first.

[troutman]

People are saying "Government does not belong in the bedrooms of the nation." Fair enough. Most people would agree with that.

However, it is alleged he assaulted a co-worker at CBC. If this is true, he is a predator and should be dismissed for cause. The alleged behavior is criminal too.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by troutman

People are saying "Government does not belong in the bedrooms of the nation." Fair enough. Most people would agree with that.

However, it is alleged he assaulted a co-worker at CBC. If this is true, he is a predator and should be dismissed for cause. The alleged behavior is criminal too.

Which is why, imo, it was important the Star released what they were investigating. Because he was portraying himself as a victim in this situation. Which might be far, far from the truth. Regardless of what comes out, if it's bad for him, there's always going to be some people that read his Facebook post and will not move from that version of the story.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

allegations meant to defame.

That still would not make the Star liable. The defamation you are assuming would have originated elsewhere. Jian is a public figure and given he's made this a public issue himself, the Star's actions certainly are fair comment in the public interest.

While the Star chose not to publish the allegations initially, it is Jian's own PR offensive that gave them the green light. Particularly given the Star is claiming he misrepresented their initial hesitance to publish. He doesn't get to make this a public debate by arguing his side then cry foul when the media presents the other side of the story.

[Regular_John]

At this point it appears the BSDM angle is a red herring at best. The issue isn't what he enjoys in the bedroom, the issue is consent and at worse, assault.

Going with the old "where there's smoke, there's fire" adage, it's not looking good for Ghomeshi right now.

But it's still early, lots more of this story to be heard.

[FlamesAddiction]

Can someone sum up what concrete evidence they have against him to show that it was assault, and not just S&M between consenting adults?

Or it all just allegations right now?

[PeteMoss]

This could be part of CBC's concern:

But, when it comes to BDSM – or at least its more intense versions – the law doesn’t actually care about consent. The Supreme Court has said that a person cannot consent to assault. While the cases have typically arisen in the context of bar room brawls or hockey violence, other courts have applied the same reasoning to the sexual context. So, if a sexual activity causes bodily harm, a person cannot consent to it.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle21315629/

[troutman]

The Giller Prize @GillerPrize
We can confirm Jian Ghomeshi will not host the #GillerPrize gala on November 10th. More news will be forthcoming as it becomes available.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This could be part of CBC's concern:



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle21315629/

What is the definition of bodily harm?

Is it bruising on the buttocks?

[troutman]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2..._ghomeshi.html

“I know for the many of you who love and look forward to this show, this is a very hard day,” Bambury, the host of CBC’s Day 6 program, said.

“But remember: there are dozens of people who work hard to bring you Q ... They’re still here, they’re still committed and they’re determined to bring you the best show they can,” Bambury said.

“We move forward. I hope you’ll come with us,” he said, before continuing with the show’s scheduled interviews.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Can someone sum up what concrete evidence they have against him to show that it was assault, and not just S&M between consenting adults?

Or it all just allegations right now?

As far as I know there is no such evidence so far, nor is there any indication whether the S&M is what got him fired.

[Resolute 14]

Saw this on Twitter last night as speculative, but the Financial Post confirms it today. Even if he was wrongfully dismissed, Ghomeshi's threatened lawsuit was DOA because of a CBA:

http://business.financialpost.com/20...ing-the-truth/

Jian Ghomeshi’s threatened $50-million lawsuit against the CBC has everything to do with strategy and PR — but nothing to do with legal entitlement.

Quite apart from the fact that his actual damages likely do not exceed 2% of that figure, unionized bargaining-unit employees (as CBC broadcasters are) can’t sue in court for wrongful dismissal. This suit will almost certainly be quickly struck down by the courts without Ghomeshi recovering a penny.

BTW, excellent use of "creepy face Jian" as the cover image for the embedded video in that story.

[Bagor]

Given the seriousness of the allegations, what happens next?

Do the police get involved? Interview the three women with a view to pressing charges? Can they get access to the Star's interviews?

Or do the women get to maintain their anonymity behind the media?

[bigtmac19]

None of the women are willing to press charges, there is no police investigation in this matter at all.

[MarchHare]

Important distinction: in Canada, the Crown chooses to press charges, not the victims of crimes. Per the Toronto Star article, the three women who were allegedly assaulted by Ghomeshi did not file police reports and wish to remain anonymous because of fear of retaliation if their identities were made public.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Important distinction: in Canada, the Crown chooses to press charges, not the victims of crimes. Per the Toronto Star article, the three women who were allegedly assaulted by Ghomeshi did not file police reports and wish to remain anonymous because of fear of retaliation if their identities were made public.

The Queen disapproves of Gomeshi's sexual appetites...

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Important distinction: in Canada, the Crown chooses to press charges, not the victims of crimes. Per the Toronto Star article, the three women who were allegedly assaulted by Ghomeshi did not file police reports and wish to remain anonymous because of fear of retaliation if their identities were made public.

@bigtmac19. I understand that, hence my question.

So, is there no public interest thing here? i.e. Here we have three women claiming to be violently physically assaulted and not willing to file police reports yet are willing to file media reports?

This is like a trial by media? No?

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Important distinction: in Canada, the Crown chooses to press charges, not the victims of crimes. Per the Toronto Star article, the three women who were allegedly assaulted by Ghomeshi did not file police reports and wish to remain anonymous because of fear of retaliation if their identities were made public.

I think the star article said that they didn't file reports because there are text messages between themselves and Jian that might indicate consent.