Jian Ghomeshi no longer with CBC

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GGG

The one that should have gotten him fired basically instantly is saying he wanted to hate #### her to one of the employees on his show. There should be a record of that report. It's disappointing there was no action sooner.

Thanks, I missed the fact it was an employee, yep clear grounds for termination in almost every circumstance.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

No, what post number is it on though?

Read his Facebook statement, this blog about the date, and skimmed the rest of the thread.

Certainly there may be other articles that are worse- don't think this blog is incriminating by itself though... combining it with other articles may paint a different picture.

You are right the blog post was not completely damning on its own but, combined with this article, it paints a different picture of Jian. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...ce=twitterfeed

The three women interviewed by the Star allege that Ghomeshi physically attacked them on dates without consent. They allege he struck them with a closed fist or open hand; bit them; choked them until they almost passed out; covered their nose and mouth so that they had difficulty breathing; and that they were verbally abused during and after sex.

A fourth woman, who worked at CBC, said Ghomeshi told her at work: “I want to hate f--- you.”

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Im sorry but from the beginning that woman's article was so over the top. If you're going to change his name, it was obviously just to cover her ass because she dropped a ton of hints as to his real identity. Her language used to describe him is extremely biased from the start, and if he was the disgusting and stinky predator from hell we read of, why did things get to that point? I'm sure millions of us have gone on a bad date and broken it off early, no harm no foul.

You thought he looked like a sexual predator with an agenda that included date raping you, and you not only took the drink but got into his vehicle afterwards?
Am I a sexual predator for having slid an arm around a date before I was sure of her intentions? I've both been rejected by that and also made it clear that that I wasn't interested to women making advances. Did I publicly demonize them for wishing to have sex with me even though I clearly didn't wish to have sex with them? It is concerning that he seemed to ignore/dismiss her attempts to stop his advances, but the possibility does exist that he is just that dense.

Reading the Star article, however, shows another element entirely and I'm sure there is much more to come.

Flirting and discussing fantasies, partaking in BSDM (not my personal cup of tea) and anything where there's not an actual victim (deciding afterwards you are a victim, as an adult, because you regret your decision is utter bs imo) is none of our business.
If he did in fact make predatory advances after he was told clearly that they were unwelcome, he will undoubtedly be exposed and be punished accordingly. If he went so far as to physically assault those women because they rejected him, then I hope there isn't a PR machine powerful enough to let him play the victim card to his employer or the public. Time will tell.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Thanks, I missed the fact it was an employee, yep clear grounds for termination in almost every circumstance.

Definitely. Again though you have to put things into context; hard to do without a transcript of the conversation and a history of their relationship. I've had a female coworker use that exact expression to me before while working on something we had a disagreement on. Turns out we were just good friends and she talks like a trucker. Things are not looking good for him though.. Surprised that no one ever made any reports or claims against him until now though if it's actually that bad (and that is not me downplaying the effect it had on any victims).

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

You are right the blog post was not completely damning on its own but, combined with this article, it paints a different picture of Jian. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...ce=twitterfeed

The three women interviewed by the Star allege that Ghomeshi physically attacked them on dates without consent. They allege he struck them with a closed fist or open hand; bit them; choked them until they almost passed out; covered their nose and mouth so that they had difficulty breathing; and that they were verbally abused during and after sex.

A fourth woman, who worked at CBC, said Ghomeshi told her at work: “I want to hate f--- you.”

Ya, just read the article. Certainly he is a scumbag if the allegations are true and deserves to be fired and more.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Definitely. Again though you have to put things into context; hard to do without a transcript of the conversation and a history of their relationship. I've had a female coworker use that exact expression to me before while working on something we had a disagreement on. Turns out we were just good friends and she talks like a trucker. Things are not looking good for him though.. Surprised that no one ever made any reports or claims against him until now though if it's actually that bad (and that is not me downplaying the effect it had on any victims).

He's the CBC's star turn, the girls are in their mid twenties, first job out of uni' would be career suicide.
Reminds me of the BBC and the Saville affair, everyone knew but no one wanted to say anything.
The Saville affair may be why they've moved as swiftly as they have, it's about decimated the upper ranks at the BBC

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Mike F

What makes you think I don't understand what "two consenting adults" means?

I'll say it again: even if someone consents to you causing them pain or humiliation, if you get off on subjecting them to it, not just for their benefit, but because you like causing pain or humiliation to other people, you are a scumbag.

If you still think I'm misunderstanding, please post more than a glib, one line response.

I don't get why you're calling him a scumbag if he's into BDSM. Who gives a rip what he, or his dates, are into, as long as it's legal? If he's a predator who violently assaults women, then by all means, call him a scumbag. But if what two people are doing in a bedroom is legal and agreed upon, who cares? In fact, I'd call it creepy for people to even be interested.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I don't get why you're calling him a scumbag if he's into BDSM. Who gives a rip what he, or his dates, are into, as long as it's legal? If he's a predator who violently assaults women, then by all means, call him a scumbag. But if what two people are doing in a bedroom is legal and agreed upon, who cares? In fact, I'd call it creepy for people to even be interested.

You don't have to be a criminal to be a scumbag, assuming everything that's come out is true I doubt there's a criminal charge involved but he's still an effing scumbag.
I had a neighbour that used all his dole to get pissed instead of looking after his family, he was a scumbag as well.

[metallicat]

Like I said, if those allegations are true, yes he's a scumbag. We are referring to a legal interest in bdsm. That in and of itself shouldn't make one a scumbag.

This conversation seems out of place now however.

[SebC]

If he's suing them for $50M, then they were paying him too much.

[ben voyonsdonc]

I agree with Oilers Fan (words that shall never leave my mouth again).

BDSM is by no means a reflection of someone's character...as long as it is 110% consensual. It isn't my cup of tea by any means but it shouldn't be held against someone if they partake in these activities with a truly consenting partner.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I agree with Oilers Fan (words that shall never leave my mouth again).

BDSM is by no means a reflection in someone's character...as long as it is 110% consensual. It isn't my cup of tea by any means but it shouldn't be held against someone if they partake in these activities with a truly consenting partner.

Everything we do is a reflection of our character.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Everything we do is a reflection of our character.

And how does participation in BDSM reflect on one's character?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

And how does participation in BDSM reflect on one's character?

I'd judge that on a case by case basis, even if it was utterly consensual, two screw ups can find each other, doesn't mean they arnt screw ups.

[metallicat]

That sort of thing shouldn't even be public though. It shouldn't be out there to cloud our judgement of people.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

two screw ups can find each other, doesn't mean they arnt screw ups.

Hahaha holy ####

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

That sort of thing shouldn't even be public though. It shouldn't be out there to cloud our judgement of people.

It's not 'clouding' though, granted we may not always know if the people around us are scumbags or not, they may beat their wives, kick the dog or sell dodgy lottery tickets to pensioners, but once we find out, how ever it comes about, we make a judgement.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'd judge that on a case by case basis, even if it was utterly consensual, two screw ups can find each other, doesn't mean they arnt screw ups.

But the fact that they partake in BDSM isn't what determines that they are inherently screwed up...or does it?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

But the fact that they partake in BDSM doesn't make them inherently screwed up...does it?

No, but it would be a warning sign for me, like recreational drug use or being an oilers fan.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No, but it would be a warning sign for me, like recreational drug use or being an oilers fan.

Please back up any of your statements with any sort of evidence about mental instability being connected with BDSM or recreational drug use (aka academic studies) besides your own opinions :