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[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by GGG

I take the stance that Aeneas is being truthful about his alignment but not his power.

Aeneas,

Why didn't you watch ECF the nights he was going to die. Essentially the goal of the watcher power is to catch someone who is going to die and report the killer. Which means you should have been watching ECF and then once he died Wood or perhaps one of the potential cops.

At first I watched people I was suspicious of, Oling and Drury. Not sure why, just thought I might learn something of use.

It wasn't until the 4th night that I did what you are saying I should have done. I knew I wasn't the cop, so I decided to send Isabelle to rathji and see if he died. Not much I could do if the mafia killed me of course.

Then I sent Isabelle to Dissentowner. Next I would have sent her to Girly. That would then conclude a list of possible Cop suspects.

Not sure who to send her to watch next time, and I think it is foolish to let the mafia know.

I know you have an issue with how quiet I have been, I tried to stay under the radar and hopefully learn who at least one mafia member was. Then I would have been happy to "out" them, die at night, and hopefully be vindicated. All this assuming of course we still had numbers.

I think my not so powerful power is perfect for a townie to get one mafia member out of the game. As long as the town wins, I win even dead.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GGG

Squiggs as been posting like Pikachu all game and it has something to do with his ability.

Squigss, what is the consequence of you telling us how your power works.

Pika's grasp of the English language has nothing to do with his ability, role, alignment, etc.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

Oling,

Why did you let Rathji use his one shot day kill on formulate if you suspected him to be the bulletproof mafia godfather based on your tracking results.

First it wasn't my plan, I wanted Timbo shot to reveal his alignment (which I believed, and still do believe is town) so that would let the town and others know that Drury18 was town as well at the time.

But when Formulate was decided, it was perfect. Are you forgetting that the plan was to rewind time and the person would come back to life? So it didn't matter that he was bulletproof, if that ended up being the case. All we were looking for was their alignment and if I was wrong about him I wouldn't have to reveal my tracking ability and hurt the town doing it. I wasn't entirely sure why my tracking didn't work at the time, I could have been blocked and it had nothing to do with formulate. It was only when he wasn't killed that I was certain he was trackingproof and bulletproof and I thought getting out the Godfather was worth my reveal.

And remember that I targeted him the first night. I wasn't going to go with he was 100% mafia and I will die/reveal to prove it because it would have been a chaotic first night but I wanted 1 reason to go for him very hard without the mafia thinking I had a power at night. You can see how hard I went for him after the doctor post and even when I wasn't voting for him I kept mentioning him as a suspect in case I did die at night and my tracking was revealed someone would pick up on it. I don't see a reason why I would have been doing that if I was mafia, because then people wouldn't want to go for formulate.

[GGG]

Aeneas explanation for how he has been playing makes sense.

The watcher power has much more utility for the town than tracker does. I kinda of like Timbo's idea that Watcher and tracker are opisite sides. Our tracker let Rathji waste his day kill on someone he thought was a bulletproof mafia god father.

Why didn't you come out before Rathji used his day kill?

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[GGG]

Originally Posted by GGG

Aeneas explanation for how he has been playing makes sense.

The watcher power has much more utility for the town than tracker does. I kinda of like Timbo's idea that Watcher and tracker are opisite sides. Our tracker let Rathji waste his day kill on someone he thought was a bulletproof mafia god father.

Why didn't you come out before Rathji used his day kill?

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vote oling

Sorry reading your reply now.

[GGG]

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I don't know anymore the last thing I got is the vote on ECF

Ecf: mrkajz, GGG, Wood, Starseed, gp_Matt, form, squiggs

4 confirmed town, 1 SK 1 likely town and Squiggs.

Where are the scum in these votes? What else do we have on squigs? Poor use of doctor power, weird Pika chu thing.

Also where is Starseed.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

Where are the scum in these votes? What else do we have on squigs? Poor use of doctor power, weird Pika chu thing.

He wasted his ability yesterday. We knew Eternals powers didn't work, yet he target Puxlut. It didn't make sense. He was quick to jump on the "someone from the Guardians is scum" BS.

His ability is to prevent roleblocking, but the only roleblocking ability so far has been town...

[GGG]

vote squigs96

I have no one better at this point

Still very weary of Oling or Timbo if squigs flips town.

[dissentowner]

Pikachu...I choose you!

Vote: squiggs96

[Drury18]

So here's what I'm thinking:

There's a few things I just have trouble getting over with Aeneas.

The first is his not knowing who he investigated. I know he came back saying he wasn't as clever as the rest of us and needed to look at the PM's from Mazrim to see what they said, but that's just an odd comment to me. If you are the investigator (or something in that role) why would you say that? Either you'd look at the PM's first and answer or you'd have the answers. And I don't buy that clever remark, he's played this before. He knows how the roles work. It doesn't make sense. This really is something I would think you should know or at least give the town some confidence that you know what you are doing and helping. The way he did that, I have little confidence in him. And if you don't know your investigation information, how are you basing your votes? There's so many questions that come up with just that one little statement.

The second is having this role, but being quiet. If you have a role where you can get information, I don't see where "under the radar" helps the town. First, playing that way is going to make yourself a lynch target. That's been outwardly said a few times in this game and the basis of a few votes, so that's just poor play. Second, if you happen to be taken out by mafia during the night, you die with any information you had. Even if you haven't located scum, you still have information and had you died prior to sharing it, it's less information for us to go with. You don't need to scream it aloud, but at least try to work it into posts to help us out and make it look like you do something. You've really offered us nothing up until yesterday. That's an issue to me, that's not helping the town when you have a very helpful role.

Then there's the GirlySports thing. IF she is truthful about her role, she made a huge mistake how to go about with it. Losing a day at this point is far more detrimental to the town today than it would be at the start. To me, that role should have almost been something you say on Day 1 or 2 to warn the town that you are a ticking time bomb. That's how it would have been helpful for the town, not to have us drag it out of you on Day 7 when we need the time and losing a day is a huge issue. The irony in her comments about the mafia sneaking up on us is almost too much. Her role lets the mafia do EXACTLY that. If you don't reveal that from the start, you get killed, guess what? You just let the mafia sneak up on us. If you tell us right away, up front, the element of surprise gets taken away. In my opinion, she should have had a completely opposite stance on reveals. Not hide her role, tell us, warn us because if it's true, we are screwed at this point. It's almost a choice between lynch her ourselves so we know when this is coming, or let the mafia do it in a day or two and hope it's not when the numbers make it impossible for the town to win.

I also have to wonder though if this is much like the invite thing where a huge claim is made to get the heat off.

[GirlySports]

Interesting. I do see both sides. That's why this game is so great.

I slightly disagree though, I don't see how all these roles like doctor, investigator, secretary or me how it's good to reveal early. Who are we going to protect? And how do we know who's lying? Look what happened to ECF? Early reveal he's dead.

I was hoping that we could lynch scum early then each of our roles do our own work and sway the town. I was really hoping to never reveal and the town would just win. But in this particular game, there is too much pressure to reveal. Everyone's been running around, who are you, who are you, what do you do?

What abilities have worked? Delgar's bodyguard, Drury's lynchsave and Rathji's skip the night. They worked because we didn't know about them. That's what I was hoping for.

[Drury18]

You aren't in the same category as ECF, Delgar, Me or Rathji. You are a timebomb. You don't have an ability to help or do something for the town, yours only hurts the town and kicks in after your death. If you didn't reveal, the scum kills you and we skipped a day, what do you think the town would have thought? We'd have no clue what happened or why.

No where in the course of the game would you be able to show anything. You only have "powers" when you die. That's where telling us up front was the best thing you could have done for us. Maybe you would have been killed early, but being we will skip a day, it would have been better for the town on Day 1 or 2, then Day 7 or 8.

[GGG]

My problem with Girlysports claim is she has had Seven days to go through the list and pick which role she was going to be, I don't think there is a worse role for town right now the the beloved modifier.

While it fits her play style it's still really convenient.

Drury I disagree with you on how the princess has to play. They have to try to just survive the whole game. It doesn't matter when the extra night is it's affect on win condition is the same.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Here's something interesting, Squiggs96 was actually the last to reveal and had to be pressed to do so. A complete opposite of his throwing that he is pikachu in every single post. He even said in another post he wanted to be secret about his reveal overtime, that doesn't make sense now that he's at least alluding to the fact he has to role play as Pikachu.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

So in multiple other threads Delgar says he will not post much early on because he got voted out early in the first two games. He then has posted more than anyone, including the first post and then votes for me for not posting? Others have exactly one post. Come on dude.

Early post, after everyone had revealed and people were voting for him because he didn't. No mention of Pikachu. He still hasn't mentioned all his actions, like who he target 1st night and 3rd.

But what's even more interesting, when the Squiggs96 vote gains some traction, take a look at the two people who chimed in with their responses, they didn't really defend him but wanted to give him some time to post:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The first lynch is always a tough one for sure. Hard to get a read on anything this early. I will wait a few days to see if squiggs chimes in but I am on board with starting with a player not really that active.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Hopefully squiggs96 will post soon, I want to give him a chance. I agree that an inactive player is probably a townie but won't be any help.

I'll wait a bit longer before I give him a licking.

Would make a lot of sense if Wood was right.

Also Squiggs96 wanted to go after the Guardians member, thanks to the first day message, and Diss wanted to go for Rathji (A Guardian member) so it seems like to me like we got a last ditch effort here.

Rathji, GGG and Drury18 should see if they can come to a conclusion on who to lynch and the town should go with it. I'm pretty confident that we got the 4 mafia members now, the same 4 Wood mentioned in the Twilight review.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Here's something interesting, Squiggs96 was actually the last to reveal and had to be pressed to do so. A complete opposite of his throwing that he is pikachu in every single post. He even said in another post he wanted to be secret about his reveal overtime, that doesn't make sense now that he's at least alluding to the fact he has to role play as Pikachu.



Early post, after everyone had revealed and people were voting for him because he didn't. No mention of Pikachu. He still hasn't mentioned all his actions, like who he target 1st night and 3rd.

But what's even more interesting, when the Squiggs96 vote gains some traction, take a look at the two people who chimed in with their responses, they didn't really defend him but wanted to give him some time to post:



Would make a lot of sense if Wood was right.

Also Squiggs96 wanted to go after the Guardians member, thanks to the first day message, and Diss wanted to go for Rathji (A Guardian member) so it seems like to me like we got a last ditch effort here.

Rathji, GGG and Drury18 should see if they can come to a conclusion on who to lynch and the town should go with it. I'm pretty confident that we got the 4 mafia members now, the same 4 Wood mentioned in the Twilight review.

I'm not sure what your strategy is here. You point out some things, while conveniently leaving out other information that is directly tied to it. Pika has quaralled with diss, multiple times. I'm not sure we like each other. I led the charge on Girly and only stopped when her reveal came out. Pika even asked if it was a contrived deceit. Diss has voted for me multiple times, and has tried leading it as well. He's got his vote on me as we speak. You can leave it out to support your claim against pika, but at least include all the facts.

The beginning of my game has been talked about, rehashed, and talked about some more. You can go read it if you want. Pika's spoken at length on it and that I was driving or in Hawaii. I've revealed all my actions, and you can look fit them if you want. You choose to only talk about certain things that benefit your argument, so I'm not surprised you "can't" find these either.

Pika thinks if you are town you've done a terrible job, especially lately. You haven't found any scum and are continuing to harp on yet another townie. It was convenient for you to follow my vote when it suited you. If everyone lynches pika today, I'd like you to go after Oling when (not if) I flip town. Don't fall for his crap, excuses and misdirection.

Vote Oling _Roachinen

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Rathji, GGG and Drury18 should see if they can come to a conclusion on who to lynch and the town should go with it. I'm pretty confident that we got the 4 mafia members now, the same 4 Wood mentioned in the Twilight review.

My order right now is

Squiggs
Aeneas
Girly
Diss
Oling
Timbo

Would love Starseed and Timbo to chime in with any vote analysis they have done on the above list.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I'm not sure what your strategy is here. You point out some things, while conveniently leaving out other information that is directly tied to it. Pika has quaralled with diss, multiple times. I'm not sure we like each other. I led the charge on Girly and only stopped when her reveal came out. Pika even asked if it was a contrived deceit. Diss has voted for me multiple times, and has tried leading it as well. He's got his vote on me as we speak. You can leave it out to support your claim against pika, but at least include all the facts.

The beginning of my game has been talked about, rehashed, and talked about some more. You can go read it if you want. Pika's spoken at length on it and that I was driving or in Hawaii. I've revealed all my actions, and you can look fit them if you want. You choose to only talk about certain things that benefit your argument, so I'm not surprised you "can't" find these either.

Pika thinks if you are town you've done a terrible job, especially lately. You haven't found any scum and are continuing to harp on yet another townie. It was convenient for you to follow my vote when it suited you. If everyone lynches pika today, I'd like you to go after Oling when (not if) I flip town. Don't fall for his crap, excuses and misdirection.

Vote Oling _Roachinen

In Olings defense he is the only one who caught anyone. Now it was the SK so he could be helping scum oling out but in termed of actual hunting oling has the kill.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I'm not sure what your strategy is here. You point out some things, while conveniently leaving out other information that is directly tied to it. Pika has quaralled with diss, multiple times. I'm not sure we like each other. I led the charge on Girly and only stopped when her reveal came out. Pika even asked if it was a contrived deceit. Diss has voted for me multiple times, and has tried leading it as well. He's got his vote on me as we speak. You can leave it out to support your claim against pika, but at least include all the facts.

The beginning of my game has been talked about, rehashed, and talked about some more. You can go read it if you want. Pika's spoken at length on it and that I was driving or in Hawaii. I've revealed all my actions, and you can look fit them if you want. You choose to only talk about certain things that benefit your argument, so I'm not surprised you "can't" find these either.

Pika thinks if you are town you've done a terrible job, especially lately. You haven't found any scum and are continuing to harp on yet another townie. It was convenient for you to follow my vote when it suited you. If everyone lynches pika today, I'd like you to go after Oling when (not if) I flip town. Don't fall for his crap, excuses and misdirection.

Vote Oling _Roachinen

Mafia isn't going to support each other everytime. Voting against each other is a good strategy.

Girlysports vote only happened after your plan of looking at the Guardians failed. And given her power, it makes sense the mafia were okay with killing her.

Still, you haven't revealed your night actions? Why not? Let us know who you target, and preferably the reasons why.

And do you or do you not have to post as pikachu?

[Oling_Roachinen]

And you still haven't explained why you target Puxlut when Wood even told you in Twilight it wouldn't work....

And GGG has confirmed that Eternal powers don't work.

I think Timbo was right about his mafia/town counterpart power stuff:

I track someone's action to see who they follow, Aeneas watches someone to see who they follow.

Rathji cost us a night, Girlysports adds a night.

hmmmhmmcamo roleblocks, you prevent the roleblock.

Starseed gives someone an extra vote (counted against them), Diss gives someone an extra vote (to use).

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I track someone's action to see who they follow, Aeneas watches someone to see who they follow.

Should read Aeneas watches someone to see who visit follow them.