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Old 10-24-2014, 03:34 PM   #1061
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There's an invisible line and I don't know on which side this tragedy lands.

For me it lands on the side of don't do it. As i edited in my post it seems that WO Vincent has been lost in all this.

While I agree that this soldier should not be forgotten, I am pretty sure we can agree all soldiers that die during service should not be forgotten.


How many people remember Lt. Col. Dan Bobbit?
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Old 10-24-2014, 03:34 PM   #1062
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Brian Stewart, is that his name? CBC fellow, Munk institute, etc. had it well covered I thought.

No plaque at the memorial itself, but something off to the side no problem.

I think he's right. Many younger or newer canadians may not have much connection to a large memorial for WWI, but a small tastefully done plaque for this recent event woud likely make many people happy.
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I cannot speak as a active member of the armed forces or veteran...so this is my civilian opinion.

But if someone died defending my grave/memorial I would be ok with them being recognized at the memorial.

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Fozzie, I wasn't jumping down your "throat". I was just giving my opinion and discussing thoughts and feelings.
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Fozzie, I wasn't jumping down your "throat". I was just giving my opinion and discussing thoughts and feelings.
Didn't think you were bud...
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Brian Stewart, is that his name? CBC fellow, Munk institute, etc. had it well covered I thought.

No plaque at the memorial itself, but something off to the side no problem.

I think he's right. Many younger or newer canadians may not have much connection to a large memorial for WWI, but a small tastefully done plaque for this recent event woud likely make many people happy.
This would make sense to me as well...and for those Canadians who don't know about the horror of WWI should listen to the Hardcore History podcast about WWI that is being released chapter by chapter every 90 days or so...
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This would make sense to me as well...and for those Canadians who don't know about the horror of WWI should listen to the Hardcore History podcast about WWI that is being released chapter by chapter every 90 days or so...

To jump on this, everyone should listen to ALL the Hardcore history podcasts, best podcast out there, Carlin is an unbelievable storyteller. Also does a great job at framing how current events occur and their impact in his other podcast Common Sense.
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For me it lands on the side of don't do it. As i edited in my post it seems that WO Vincent has been lost in all this.

While I agree that this soldier should not be forgotten, I am pretty sure we can agree all soldiers that die during service should not be forgotten.


How many people remember Lt. Col. Dan Bobbit?
There was actually a pretty incredibly story posted on the DND site about Bobbit.
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Old 10-24-2014, 04:17 PM   #1070
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Yeah, no.

The National War Memorial exists to honour the memory of all Canadians who died during the course of their military service. Cpl. Carillo should not be singled out for any special attention above the thousands of other casualties. I'd even bet that Carillo himself would not want a plague like that.
Most soldiers are ok with being remembered as part of an entity instead of an individual.

I don't know if he would even want to be immortalized like that at that location.
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Old 10-24-2014, 04:39 PM   #1071
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Nice pregame ceremony prior to the RedBlacks game in Ottawa tonight. Both teams stood side-by-side around the giant flag on the field.

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Old 10-24-2014, 06:21 PM   #1072
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that is a huge flag.
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Old 10-24-2014, 06:22 PM   #1073
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I was able to stop on the 401 in Oshawa today on my way home to see the motorcade. It was very moving to see all the people pulled over on the highway to pay respect.

There was also an older First Nations gentleman standing on the side of the highway in full regalia which I thought was pretty cool. As tragic as this is, it sure has brought a lot of people together. There were a few others holding flags representing their First Nations with Canadian flags to show support.
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Nm.

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Old 10-24-2014, 08:30 PM   #1075
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Yeah, no.

The National War Memorial exists to honour the memory of all Canadians who died during the course of their military service. Cpl. Carillo should not be singled out for any special attention above the thousands of other casualties. I'd even bet that Carillo himself would not want a plague like that.
It would go against an essential element of the Unknown Soldier.
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Yeah, no.

The National War Memorial exists to honour the memory of all Canadians who died during the course of their military service. Cpl. Carillo should not be singled out for any special attention above the thousands of other casualties. I'd even bet that Carillo himself would not want a plague like that.
I'd agree, that said a small brass plaque on the spot he died would be very appropriate.
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incredible, calling him a hero and the pictures drawn of him as "captain canada" are almost underselling what Kevin Vickers did

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Seems odd to me. Would not Vickers also be in the line of fire for all the other shooters?

Vickers has the job and name recognition, but it would be nice to hear more about the first security guard who engaged the shooter. He was unarmed CBC says, but he grabbed for the rifle and got shot. Pretty good job by that guy I thought.

Nota Bena: not taking anything away from the Sergeant at arms, I think he is great.
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Just had a off chance conversation with a guy from Texas. After I told him I was originally from Canada he immediately said, "My deepest apologies for what happened in your capital and for what happened to that poor soldier." He was so sincere in his statement. It shook me up hearing it.
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incredible, calling him a hero and the pictures drawn of him as "captain canada" are almost underselling what Kevin Vickers did

Only him yelling "Yippee Ki Yay Mother####er" while flying through the air could have made that more badass
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