Uniformed Soldier Shot at War Memorial in Ottawa-R.I.P. Cpl. Cirillo

[WhiteTiger]

[_Q_]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10...-records-show/

New court documents released by a B.C. Provincial Court judge Thursday afternoon paint the picture of a young man so desperate that he attempted robbery to go to jail, which he saw as the “only way to overcome his addiction to crack cocaine.”

“I don’t know if you read my file,” Zehaf-Bibeau said to the judge in a brisk but composed fashion. “I confessed to an armed robbery 10 years ago. I wanted to come to jail so I could clean up.”

“I warned them, ‘If you can’t keep me in, I’m going to do something right now just to be put in.’ … so I went to do another robbery, just so I could come to jail.”

Zehaf-Bibeau explained to the judge why he wanted to stay in prison.

“I’m a crack addict, and at the same time, I’m a religious person. I want to sacrifice freedom and good things for a year, maybe and when I come out, I’ll appreciate things in life more and be clean, or maybe get therapy if you guys can — like a detox.”

Seems to me that this case wasn't terrorism, but rather a lost young man with mental issues that cried out for help multiple times and was largely ignored.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

edit- ironically enough, did I answer my own question with my post? Out of the gunshot that killed the soldier spawned a mass amount of Canadian patriotism and uinity/the Canadian spirit is stronger than the acts of a bunch of fanatics? If so, cool.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Seems to me that this case wasn't terrorism, but rather a lost young man with mental issues that cried out for help multiple times and was largely ignored.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. A lost young man with mental issues can be a terrorist. I'd argue a large portion of people who commit terrorist acts are not mentally well, believing in grandiose delusions that their acts will be world changing and the thrill of being a martyr.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by _Q_

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10...-records-show/

*Picture*

Seems to me that this case wasn't terrorism, but rather a lost young man with mental issues that cried out for help multiple times and was largely ignored.

I do agree the system mostly abandoned him if he was looking for help. It is quite possible he converted to Islam to help deal with his issues, no one will ever know. But it is becoming just as clear he went through a process of radicalization, something he chose to believe in. Converted years ago and may have used his religion as basis to try and clean-up in an effort to become more devout. This is the same guy who attended the same B.C. mosque as Hisbullah Yusufzai and was kicked out for weird behaviour, bought into radicalized extremist content online from jihadist websites, has been found to have email links to other radicalized Canadians, and tried to leave Canada numerous times to go support radical elements from both Vancouver and Ottawa, but couldn't because of Passport issues. All of this cannot be ignored because he felt going to jail to cure his cocaine addiction was the best way.

It also doesn't help that his dad went back to Libya in 2011 to fight the Gaddafi regime, after being a business owner in Canada for many years.

Drugs may have started his life down the road of instability, but extremist radicalization compounded it.

[chemgear]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/otta...-gun-1.2811249

The design of the lever-action rifle, virtually unchanged for 120 years, may have limited Zehaf-Bibeau's ability to inflict mass casualties on Parliament Hill.

Advanced by the standards of 1894, it holds a maximum of eight rounds, but more normally seven, stored end-to-end in a tube under the barrel. It is not semi-automatic; the lever must be racked between shots.

Unlike more modern rifles that can be reloaded with a clip or magazine containing multiple rounds, the Winchester, once empty, must be painstakingly reloaded round-by-round, inserting the cartridges into a small port on the side of the receiver. The process takes an experienced shooter about 30 seconds -- an eternity in the kind of shootout that took place inside Centre Block.

It all means that Zehaf-Bibeau must have obtained his rifle either by stealing it, buying it on the black market, or been given the rifle, either by someone unaware of his motives or an accomplice.

It may be that last possibility that explains why police are so focused on tracking the weapon's history.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by _Q_

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10...-records-show/




Seems to me that this case wasn't terrorism, but rather a lost young man with mental issues that cried out for help multiple times and was largely ignored.

Most terrorists are people that were neglected and lost and find acceptance in people and ideas that took advantage of them.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Azure

Most terrorists are people that were neglected and lost and find acceptance in people and ideas that took advantage of them.

That sounds like crazy namby-pamby liberal talk to me. The root cause of terrorism is terrorists!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Azure

Most terrorists are people that were neglected and lost and find acceptance in people and ideas that took advantage of them.

It's the typical street gang turned kicked up about 5 notches. Straight up, there's no difference other than the words used to lure.

[Flamenspiel]

^^Well, generally I agree, all that needed to be known on this subject was already known in the 1950s, i don't remember the class, but it was compulsory reading:

The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements:

"Hoffer argues that even when their stated goals or values differ mass movements are interchangeable, that adherents will often flip from one movement to another, and that the motivations for mass movements are interchangeable. Thus, religious, nationalist and social movements, whether radical or reactionary, tend to attract the same type of followers, behave in the same way and use the same tactics and rhetorical tools. As examples, the book often refers to Communism, Fascism, National Socialism, Christianity, Protestantism, and Islam."

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Azure

Most terrorists are people that were neglected and lost and find acceptance in people and ideas that took advantage of them.

I seriously doubt this is true. Mostly because there are way too many bloody of them. The majority of radical Islam terrorists are very well versed in their faith- many well educated. Not trying to go Bill Maher here, but while the number of radicals willing to carry out acts of destruction may be somewhat limited, the number that support and sympathize with their cause is staggering. What you are suggesting may be a factor in the incidents that occured in Canada this week, but it is probably not a huge factor in the bigger picture of interntaional terrorism.

[undercoverbrother]

FFS, this does nothing to help.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/vandals...lake-1.2069668

Vandals have defaced a mosque in Cold Lake, Alta., smashing its windows and spray-painting the building with a racist message.
Two windows appear to be smashed in a photo taken by the local newspaper, the Cold Lake Sun. The words "Go home" are written multiple times across the outside of the building in red spray paint.
The vandalism at the mosque was discovered Friday morning and police are investigating

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Thoughtful piece in Macleans

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/w...rity-not-more/

We need less security, not more

Why the best response to the Ottawa shootings is to open Parliament to all Canadians—not to fortify it

Scott Gilmore
October 23, 2014

I'm sure this type of article appeals to a lot of Canadians, but it's also really naive. The Parliament Building and Canadians got off easy this week. This could have been a coordinated attack involving several people with bombs strapped on. Instead of one soldier being dead we could be seeing news of the Parliament building burning with some massive holes in it and the leader of the country lying dead on the floor.

Like it or not, security at government and military sites will and should be increased. Funding for CSIS will also need to be increased significantly to provide more/constant surveillance on suspected terrorists.

I doubt Macleans writes a similar article after the next terrorist attack in this country.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

FFS, this does nothing to help.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/vandals...lake-1.2069668

the mentality of the vandals is evident - looks like they misspelled "Canada".

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

FFS, this does nothing to help.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/vandals...lake-1.2069668

Terrible. I hope some of the good people of Cold Lake volunteer to help clean that up and show that Canadians as a whole are better than the xenophobic a-holes who did that.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

the mentality of the vandals is evident - looks like they misspelled "Canada".

Not necessarily. From that perspective, the second 'a' could be hidden behind that pillar.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Not necessarily. From that perspective, the second 'a' could be hidden behind that pillar.

There is another angle of it from another source. It is spelled correctly.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Not necessarily. From that perspective, the second 'a' could be hidden behind that pillar.

Yup, if the photo was taken in the opposite direction it would say "CANAC"

Edit: As indicated by Ozy.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

FFS, this does nothing to help.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/vandals...lake-1.2069668

I think all the reaching to turn this into a terrorism case is dangerous and the end result unfortunately is this.

Even all this rah-rah chest thumping, Canadian nationalism is getting to be a bit much. Don't get me wrong, I love Canada and am very proud of my country, but a lot of the stuff recently has turned this into an "us" vs. "them" sort thing as if because the murderer was a Muslim, he's all of a sudden not a Canadian. Unfortunately, he is one of "us" and in reality there are hundreds of Michael Zehaf-Bibeaus out there that have slipped through the system. This is a Canadian problem as much as any of the other politically or ideologically motivated crimes committed in Canada in the past. We need to look within for answers to these problems.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Thoughtful piece in Macleans

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/w...rity-not-more/

We need less security, not more

Couldn't disagree more.

That this fella was on the grounds with a rifle for 50+ seconds before the police realized needs to be addressed. That he was able to obtain and drive a vehicle right up to the front door needs to be addressed. That he was able to easily bypass the front door needs to be addressed.

Times change. No need to totally fortify the hill, but more/better eyes on the cameras and better armed guards at the front door. It's no small distance from the street to the front door, this guy didn't have a plan and breached security very easily.

Security there has always been too lax in my opinion. They got lucky.

A wake up call.