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Street Pharmacist · 10-23-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I never had a loaded rifle on any of the public parades I did in Canada.

Edit: in fact I guarantee they weren't loaded. Everytime I carried a loaded weapon in Canada we were told to keep it out of sight, lest it scare the populace.

I am not sure if they had ceremonial weapons or if they were just unloaded weapons.

If I was a betting man I would say that the weapons they used were specific to the purpose they served, all show.

Someone posted earlier about the rifles being decorative (no firing pins, etc)

Burninator · 10-23-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Thanks are gone, so thanks.

I really struggle with people that pass judgement on how someone shows their support.

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't mind a cartoon that shows that Americans are there as our friends to help us IF we need it.

Its not the best cartoon in the world, but on a day when we see a lot of countries reaching out and saying "We're your friends and we're there to help you" You merely say thank you, that means a lot and move forward.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I didn't appreciate the sentiment. I know that they are showing support, I said as much. I just didn't understand the imagery he used. Sorry if I came across as an a-hole. I will drop it.

Baron von Kriterium · 10-23-2014, 10:28 AM

They are issue C7A2 rifles. I suspect that the bolts are still in the rifle because there are issues with the cocking handle falling out without the bolt. The rifles are not loaded.

Titan · 10-23-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

They are issue C7A2 rifles. I suspect that the bolts are still in the rifle because there are issues with the cocking handle falling out without the bolt. The rifles are not loaded.

Why would they not be loaded, or at least have a clip handy?

It would seem to me that a guard, ceremonial or not, should be able to guard, particularly at Parliament Hill, which I would consider a likely target?

Just seems odd to me.

Street Pharmacist · 10-23-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Titan

Why would they not be loaded, or at least have a clip handy?

It would seem to me that a guard, ceremonial or not, should be able to guard, particularly at Parliament Hill, which I would consider a likely target?

Just seems odd to me.

I'm no security expert, but I'm sure they're not part of the security of the place, just decoration. More weapons in public places increases the likelihood of an accident. No need for them to have ammo handy.

Wouldn't have changed anything in this instance anyways. Unlike the movies, I doubt the guard would have started firing his weapon in a crowded place. Plus, if it's just a clip being handy, by the time he gets the clip in and the gun ready, real security would be ready anyways. Kinda superfluous to have another weapon around is what I'm saying I guess

undercoverbrother · 10-23-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Titan

Why would they not be loaded, or at least have a clip handy?

It would seem to me that a guard, ceremonial or not, should be able to guard, particularly at Parliament Hill, which I would consider a likely target?

Just seems odd to me.

Titan, that just isn't how it works. The guard is purely ceremonial.

While I have no problem with soldier carrying loaded weapons, I know that a vast chunk of the population would.

Baron von Kriterium · 10-23-2014, 10:37 AM

They are issue C7A2 rifles. I suspect that the bolts are still in the rifle because there are issues with the cocking handle falling out without the bolt. The rifles are not loaded.

Canuck-Hater · 10-23-2014, 10:40 AM

Why are people trying so hard to link this guy with ISIS. There has been no confirmation, or evidence to suggest this.

undercoverbrother · 10-23-2014, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

They are issue C7A2 rifles. I suspect that the bolts are still in the rifle because there are issues with the cocking handle falling out without the bolt. The rifles are not loaded.

no firing pin would be my guess.

Madman · 10-23-2014, 10:41 AM

VIDEO

House of Commons Sergeant-at-Arms Kevin Vickers walks through Canada's main Parliament building after reportedly shooting a gunman who fired at least 30 shots inside the halls.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...-national-hero

GoinAllTheWay · 10-23-2014, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Titan, that just isn't how it works. The guard is purely ceremonial.

While I have no problem with soldier carrying loaded weapons, I know that a vast chunk of the population would.

Unless you have a magazine with the see through strip, even someone familiar with those types of rifles wouldn't be able to tell if it was loaded or not.

RyZ · 10-23-2014, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Why are people trying so hard to link this guy with ISIS. There has been no confirmation, or evidence to suggest this.

Gee, I have no idea why. I wonder why people would be on edge about home grown terror attacks at this time?

Canuck-Hater · 10-23-2014, 10:49 AM

Because we still don't know if the shooter had political intentions. People need to stick to the facts.

undercoverbrother · 10-23-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Unless you have a magazine with the see through strip, even someone familiar with those types of rifles wouldn't be able to tell if it was loaded or not.

Correct, but no one could see the full clip in my 9mil but I was still told to keep it hidden away.

While opinions and perceptions might change now, prior to this incident I don't believe the public would have been happy to know that guards were standing with loaded rifles.

The Canadian public doesn't always want to think of their military as aggressive and violent.

GirlySports · 10-23-2014, 10:50 AM

CBC today getting a lot of praise from South of Border. They have forgotten what real news looks like.

some links

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...e?src=soc_twtr

http://m.motherjones.com/mixed-media...ampaign=buffer

http://mic.com/articles/102116/canad...ver-a-shooting

GoinAllTheWay · 10-23-2014, 10:51 AM

Totally agree. To expand on what I wrote, I don't think until now anyone would have considered a need for a loaded rifle. Why would they? Don't think that really needs to change either.

CaptainCrunch · 10-23-2014, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I never had a loaded rifle on any of the public parades I did in Canada.

Edit: in fact I guarantee they weren't loaded. Everytime I carried a loaded weapon in Canada we were told to keep it out of sight, lest it scare the populace.

I am not sure if they had ceremonial weapons or if they were just unloaded weapons.

If I was a betting man I would say that the weapons they used were specific to the purpose they served, all show.

Yeah, I wanted to chime in on this too, in any parade function when we were issued our weapons the Beach Block Carriers on the FNC1A1's weren't issued and the mags empty. It was kind of a nice because it made a pretty heavy weapon significantly lighter.

when we went in the field or were deployed we were issued the Carriers but usually weren't issued ammunition til we hit our destination.

The only ceremonial rifles at the time were those white plastic things that the Cadets marched with. Our rifles were real but deactivated.

Bill Bumface · 10-23-2014, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Titan

Why would they not be loaded, or at least have a clip handy?

It would seem to me that a guard, ceremonial or not, should be able to guard, particularly at Parliament Hill, which I would consider a likely target?

Just seems odd to me.

Because not America.

Azure · 10-23-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Because not America.

I don't think US military members would be carrying loaded rifles either in similar circumstances.

CaptainCrunch · 10-23-2014, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Why are people trying so hard to link this guy with ISIS. There has been no confirmation, or evidence to suggest this.

Ok, I know what your trying to do here.

However lets look at this. The first killer was a pretty active supporter of ISIS, it was all over his face book page, it was all over his twitter account.

He had his passport revoked because his intention was to travel over to join them.

With the killer yesterday, while information is still being dug up. He had his passport seized as his intention was to go over seas and join the fight.

Your forcing your theory based around an obsolete concept. ISIS isn't setting up chapters here or Australia or the UK or anywhere, they're building supporters, they're not sending them cheques, or giving them missions. They're recruiting them to a radical form of Islam, stirring them up and then giving them suggestions through their media (Run people over with your car, kill Soldiers, etc)

There is no International Brotherhood of ISIS members, there are nut cases who are inspired by ISIS and its message of violent Jihad and hatred and intolerance and that binds into their twisted world view and they act on it.

There's no membership cards, or secret handshake, or secret meetings in a bomb assembly warehouse. Its Joe Convert grabbing his car keys or a rifle or whatever and executing on a website message.

But just because they're individuals it doesn't make them any less dangerous and it doesn't remove them from the definition of a terrorist.